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Originally Posted by Zit Hello all, a long time lurker here. I have been a 370z fan since it first came out in 2009. Sadly, being a poor college student,

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Old 02-18-2011, 10:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello all, a long time lurker here. I have been a 370z fan since it first came out in 2009. Sadly, being a poor college student, i was far from realizing the dream. But as i get closer and closer to graduation, my hopes are at all time high of finding a decent job and upgrading my ride. (If you're curious enough, i come from a nissan family. I've owned a 04 G35 coupe. But after it was totaled in 2010 i have been driving around a 03 accord coupe 6MT.)

Now, back to the topic. Based on past nissan trends with 350z and g35 coupe, the 370z is up for a mid-cycle refresh. Here is my short wish list for the updated Z.

(I'm going to start from the front of the car down to the back.)

1.Updated front fascia. Although the fangs are slowly growing into me, I would like to see something more lovable. Heck, i wouldnt mind if they threw in a nismo front in there.

2. reworked engine. There has been rumor about nissan going the direct fuel injection (DFI) route. It seems to be the latest trend everywhere and more power, better fuel economy, whats not to love. I am not a engine guru and do not know if it would play well with the current VVEL system.

3. update fuel gauge. No offense to current owners, but to me it is an eye sore to the otherwise beautiful interior. A multi info lcd display or a plain old needle style gauge would be nicer.

4. sportier looking, lighter bucket seats. The current seats look bland, specially the big headrest.

5. last but not the least, better exhaust note. common now nissan, work some magic here. I dont know if the same DFI would contribute here, but in my books a stock 350z sounded a lot better.


Now, its your turn. what would you like to see in the updated 370z, chime in your expert opionions and nissan lust.

PS: I know you can go aftermarket route and address a lot of things above. But it would be nice to have these from factory, hopefully without a big increase in price. Also, forgive me if there is too many similar threads out there; couldn't help but put it out.

Happy driving.
Your criticisms update fuel gauge. a plain old needle style gauge would be nicer, and a better exhaust note. Can't disagree. But just buying the exhaust of your choice is easy.

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1. Give it a better looking front end. Thats big reason I went with Nismo.

2. Fix the rear hatch rattle.

3. Put real sport seats with ability to accept 6 point harness belts

4. Rework the motor to deliver better top end performance. It should scream all the way to redline. Not top out 500 to 1000 RPM before redline. Make it more rev happy! Current motor spins up way too slow.

5. Introduce a paddle shift manual transmission similar to Porsche PDK

6. Offer car with suspension adjustments which allow at least -3 degrees of camber

7. Make sure the car doesnt have oil cooling issues from the factory

8. No fuel starve issues

9. Brembo or Stop Tech brake option

10. Drop weight to 3000 lbs.

11. Offer a special edition turbo. .....Please!

12. Eliminate that dang drivetrain vibration that both 350 and 370 have.

13. Do something to stop the rear wheel hop issue that both the 350 and 370 have had.
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1. Give it a better looking front end. Thats big reason I went with Nismo.

2. Fix the rear hatch rattle.

3. Put real sport seats with ability to accept 6 point harness belts

4. Rework the motor to deliver better top end performance. It should scream all the way to redline. Not top out 500 to 1000 RPM before redline. Make it more rev happy! Current motor spins up way too slow.

5. Introduce a paddle shift manual transmission similar to Porsche PDK

6. Offer car with suspension adjustments which allow at least -3 degrees of camber

7. Make sure the car doesnt have oil cooling issues from the factory

8. No fuel starve issues

9. Brembo or Stop Tech brake option

10. Drop weight to 3000 lbs.

11. Offer a special edition turbo. .....Please!

12. Eliminate that dang drivetrain vibration that both 350 and 370 have.

13. Do something to stop the rear wheel hop issue that both the 350 and 370 have had.

2. I get a rattle now that I have done test pipes and CBE, is that what your talking about?

3. What car has this in at this price

4. Compared to what? An S2K, Indy car? I think the car revs real fast, and top of the RPM range is where she shines.

5. Maybe I dont understand what your saying, do you mean like a dual clutch tranny?

6. Once again, what car has this (in reason)

7. Totally agree, but it can be fixed so easy, so it was never a concern

9. Whats wrong with the Sport brakes? Same size rotors up front as a Z06 and 4 piston??

11. Z is suppose to be affordable, want a turbo? get a GTR

12 Dont have it??
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2. I get a rattle now that I have done test pipes and CBE, is that what your talking about?

3. What car has this in at this price

4. Compared to what? An S2K, Indy car? I think the car revs real fast, and top of the RPM range is where she shines.

5. Maybe I dont understand what your saying, do you mean like a dual clutch tranny?

6. Once again, what car has this (in reason)

7. Totally agree, but it can be fixed so easy, so it was never a concern

9. Whats wrong with the Sport brakes? Same size rotors up front as a Z06 and 4 piston??

11. Z is suppose to be affordable, want a turbo? get a GTR

12 Dont have it??
The Z actually revs real slow. Not sure if you changed your flywheel or something but the 30lb flywheel we have is not helping with it.
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2. I get a rattle now that I have done test pipes and CBE, is that what your talking about?
No just the occasional rattle from the hatch.

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3. What car has this in at this price
Mitsubishi EVO has much of this.

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4. Compared to what? An S2K, Indy car? I think the car revs real fast, and top of the RPM range is where she shines.
Actually it really doesnt rev quickly and power band dies out as it climbs. Its a nice torquey motor but I'd like a quicker reving motor in a sports car. it should boogie all the way to redline. This one is more like a truck motor.

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5. Maybe I dont understand what your saying, do you mean like a dual clutch tranny?
Yes similar to EVO dual clutch.

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6. Once again, what car has this (in reason)
Not a huge cost to put this in. Very simple actually!

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7. Totally agree, but it can be fixed so easy, so it was never a concern
I'd like a more systematic fix. that doesnt require an aftermarket oil cooler.

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9. Whats wrong with the Sport brakes? Same size rotors up front as a Z06 and 4 piston??
Z06 uses 6 piston front. I'd like to see a lightweight 2 pc option as well.

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11. Z is suppose to be affordable, want a turbo? get a GTR
Plenty of past premium model Z cars with Turbos at prices not that far over base. There is still room for a turbo Z below the GTR. I dont want a 4000 lb AWD 2+2 coupe. ...Ack!

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12 Dont have it??
They all have it. Many professional reviewers in US, Japan and Europe have commented on same issue.

Nope think all these elements would be nice upgrades for a more premium version of the car. Perhaps Nismo 2.0

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1. Give it a better looking front end. Thats big reason I went with Nismo.

2. Fix the rear hatch rattle.

3. Put real sport seats with ability to accept 6 point harness belts

4. Rework the motor to deliver better top end performance. It should scream all the way to redline. Not top out 500 to 1000 RPM before redline. Make it more rev happy! Current motor spins up way too slow.

5. Introduce a paddle shift manual transmission similar to Porsche PDK

6. Offer car with suspension adjustments which allow at least -3 degrees of camber

7. Make sure the car doesnt have oil cooling issues from the factory

8. No fuel starve issues

9. Brembo or Stop Tech brake option

10. Drop weight to 3000 lbs.

11. Offer a special edition turbo. .....Please!

12. Eliminate that dang drivetrain vibration that both 350 and 370 have.

13. Do something to stop the rear wheel hop issue that both the 350 and 370 have had.
Pretty tall order for what the Z is. Not that I wouldn't like a lot of those changes, it's just kind of unrealistic I think.
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Pretty tall order for what the Z is. Not that I wouldn't like a lot of those changes, it's just kind of unrealistic I think.
You dont have to look much further than JDM versions of past Nissans for much of these items. Not terribly unrealistic however market in US probably doesnt support these types of options like Japan or Europe would.

The PDK option on Porsches is a $1600 option. Japanese manufactures have always been good at developing similar technologies at cheaper price than their German counterparts. I would bet that PDK like shifting system is coming soon. Heck Mitsubishi already has one on the EVO.

I'm sure that because of fuel standards Nissan is already looking at ways to lighten the car.
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1. Give it a better looking front end. Thats big reason I went with Nismo.

2. Fix the rear hatch rattle.

3. Put real sport seats with ability to accept 6 point harness belts

4. Rework the motor to deliver better top end performance. It should scream all the way to redline. Not top out 500 to 1000 RPM before redline. Make it more rev happy! Current motor spins up way too slow.

5. Introduce a paddle shift manual transmission similar to Porsche PDK

6. Offer car with suspension adjustments which allow at least -3 degrees of camber

7. Make sure the car doesnt have oil cooling issues from the factory

8. No fuel starve issues

9. Brembo or Stop Tech brake option

10. Drop weight to 3000 lbs.

11. Offer a special edition turbo. .....Please!

12. Eliminate that dang drivetrain vibration that both 350 and 370 have.

13. Do something to stop the rear wheel hop issue that both the 350 and 370 have had.
1. I personally think the front end looks fine on the regular Z, Although I do like the front of the NISMO as well

2. Not a big deal for me

3. What car for less than $50k has a seat that can accept a six point harness from the factory? I can't think of any. I can think of a few that have some provisions for a four point harness but even those would still need at least a harness bar.

4. Most engines top out a bit before red line. I agree with making it more rev happy though. Easily remedied with a lighter flywheel, but Nissan will never do it cause the stock one helps reduce NVH.

5. Only if they keep the 6MT, I think the semi auto is awesome but I would still want a real manual in my sports car.

6. Would be nice for the track enthusiast, but the average buyer doesn't need that kind of adjustment range. Maybe have it as an option for sport/NISMO models

7. I agree

8. Again, I would agree, maybe put some well placed baffles in the tank?

9. As an option ok, otherwise it starts causing the price to creep up (along with a lot of the other suggestions)

10. With all the safety equipment required in cars these days I don't see that happening unless it goes up in price.

11. GT-R, Nissan most likely won't do a turbo Z with the GT-R around (at least not in the States).

12. That would probably require a complete redesign to the transmission which would again add to the price since they now need to recoup expenses for that

13. More suspension tuning would solve it, but again it will cost you more money.

You have a lot of good ideas, but again unless the car goes up in the market there isn't much that could justify adding it to an already slow selling car. If they made the changes and kept it at the same price there would be more sales but i doubt very little if any profit would be made. Now if you made these changes and increased the price to 45-50k then I could see it make a marginal profit again, but it would still be the same slow seller that it has been. Most of those fixes can be done aftermarket, which is why the aftermarket industry exists. You've already stated you are going to be modifying the car so just address those issues and have the car you want. I know I plan on changing some things eventually to suit myself.
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Your criticisms update fuel gauge. a plain old needle style gauge would be nicer, and a better exhaust note. Can't disagree. But just buying the exhaust of your choice is easy.

Seeing as how you are a poor college student, Keep your current car or buy an older car for cash now and worry about new cars later.
. I will be waiting until fall 2012 for a brand new or better yet a year old car to cash in on that depreciation. that's also when I will have at least a few points dropped from my insurance and have a better judgment on my financial standing and the prospective car.

Also,
1. People take it easy on all the negative comments. This is meant to improve on the current car not to degrade it or bash on it. If you already own one, great. You already own an excellent car. Don't feel bad, you know can't stop progress.

2. "Zit" seriously?? I know right. I meant Z -it. get it?- Z. It. Funny thing is I didn't know the true meaning of Zit, until after I created the account.

3. And finally, this thread is for things you want to see in the upcoming z that's expected to be slightly refreshed. Not a whole new next generation z. So, please try to keep your wish list as practical as possible.
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