Is the Z the ugly duck now?

corner3garage · 02-03-2011, 03:53 PM

Personally, I dont think the ft86 is going to outperform the 370z. the suspension design is going to be macpherson front(inferior to double wishbone) and for the price i think it targets mostly the 2.0t genesis market, which means it will have less power.

fullmonty · 02-03-2011, 04:16 PM

The design of the FT-86s doors was actually subcontracted out to Mazda. Simply put the 370Z can no longer compete in the market and therefore production should be stopped.

shadoquad · 02-03-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty

The design of the FT-86s doors was actually subcontracted out to Mazda. Simply put the 370Z can no longer compete in the market and therefore production should be stopped.

Not necessarily. I heard a rumor that the doors were Miata "replicas", and therefore will burst into flames around every turn.

Shamu · 02-03-2011, 05:24 PM

This guy thinks Z's are sexy.

kenchan · 02-03-2011, 04:22 PM

the Z's like the "CEO" of some mom/pop shop. the Mr.CEO is the only guy working for that company.

silly like tiny companys have all executives and no staff.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-03-2011, 04:35 PM

Lol... I can't believe the MIATA door jokes are still going strong. Can someone find that thread please? I need a good laugh.

m4a1mustang · 02-03-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Lol... I can't believe the MIATA door jokes are still going strong. Can someone find that thread please? I need a good laugh.

Potential Buyer Totally Turned Off

toner123 · 02-03-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Potential Buyer Totally Turned Off

GDI how did I miss that thread errr

Also can you teach me how to do that google thingy you did was funny as hell. For the record i laughed

pulpz · 02-03-2011, 06:14 PM

I have to say this is something I've noticed too over the last year in the car mags. The 370Z is mysteriously absent from comparos lately.

Even the run-of-the-mill V6 comparos with the mustang vs camaro vs (import). They use the Hyundia Genesis now instead of the Z. The conspiracy theorist in may says they picked the Genesis over the Z because they wanted a dead-ringer American winner (mustang), in the post magazines-run-the-domestic-auto-manufacturers in to the ground era.

How do you not include the Z in a V6 < $30K comparo? Wasn't even in the track shoot-offs either.

Maybe the Z is black listed by the mags since the NismoZ brake fade incident last year with Car and Driver was it, or Road & Track?

Dunno. Don't care. I still think the Z is the highest value sportscar on the market (performance+aesthetics+comfort+reliability)/(dollar spent)

Fewer Z's on the road = exclusivity + retained resale value

b1adesofcha0s · 02-03-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

I have to say this is something I've noticed too over the last year in the car mags. The 370Z is mysteriously absent from comparos lately.

Even the run-of-the-mill V6 comparos with the mustang vs camaro vs (import). They use the Hyundia Genesis now instead of the Z. The conspiracy theorist in may says they picked the Genesis over the Z because they wanted a dead-ringer American winner (mustang), in the post magazines-run-the-domestic-auto-manufacturers in to the ground era.

How do you not include the Z in a V6 < $30K comparo? Wasn't even in the track shoot-offs either.

Maybe the Z is black listed by the mags since the NismoZ brake fade incident last year with Car and Driver was it, or Road & Track?

Dunno. Don't care. I still think the Z is the highest value sportscar on the market (performance+aesthetics+comfort+reliability)/(dollar spent)

Fewer Z's on the road = exclusivity + retained resale value

I remember reading on MSN Autos a few weeks ago that they thought the 370Z was the best value for money sports car. It made me smile

m4a1mustang · 02-03-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

I have to say this is something I've noticed too over the last year in the car mags. The 370Z is mysteriously absent from comparos lately.

Even the run-of-the-mill V6 comparos with the mustang vs camaro vs (import). They use the Hyundia Genesis now instead of the Z. The conspiracy theorist in may says they picked the Genesis over the Z because they wanted a dead-ringer American winner (mustang), in the post magazines-run-the-domestic-auto-manufacturers in to the ground era.

How do you not include the Z in a V6 < $30K comparo? Wasn't even in the track shoot-offs either.

Maybe the Z is black listed by the mags since the NismoZ brake fade incident last year with Car and Driver was it, or Road & Track?

Dunno. Don't care. I still think the Z is the highest value sportscar on the market (performance+aesthetics+comfort+reliability)/(dollar spent)

Fewer Z's on the road = exclusivity + retained resale value

It's the 2+2 thing, man.

The Z competes with other 2-seaters like the Boxster, Cayman, Z4, etc. They are, by definition, sports cars.

The Mustang, Camaro, Genesis, G37, and other 2+2 2 doors are all sport coupes.

pulpz · 02-04-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's the 2+2 thing, man.

The Z competes with other 2-seaters like the Boxster, Cayman, Z4, etc. They are, by definition, sports cars.

The Mustang, Camaro, Genesis, G37, and other 2+2 2 doors are all sport coupes.

I get what you are saying, and you might be right. But if that's their thinking its not articulated in the comparos, and its not a good reason to not more frequently feature the Z.

But I have to somewhat disagree with the Boxter, Caymen, Z4 - category.

Z-Roadster does fit in the same category with Boxster and Z4 but at a disadvantage because of price over performance, and architecture. Z is designed first and foremost as a coupe hatchback.

Caymen is almost ~2X the price of a Z. And frankly, as much as I love the Z, its no Porsche Cayman. So I think its a stretch to put both in the same category.

I still feel like the mags have exiled the Z. If they loved it, it would be featured in 3-4 major articles a year.

m4a1mustang · 02-05-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

I get what you are saying, and you might be right. But if that's their thinking its not articulated in the comparos, and its not a good reason to not more frequently feature the Z.

But I have to somewhat disagree with the Boxter, Caymen, Z4 - category.

Z-Roadster does fit in the same category with Boxster and Z4 but at a disadvantage because of price over performance, and architecture. Z is designed first and foremost as a coupe hatchback.

Caymen is almost ~2X the price of a Z. And frankly, as much as I love the Z, its no Porsche Cayman. So I think its a stretch to put both in the same category.

I still feel like the mags have exiled the Z. If they loved it, it would be featured in 3-4 major articles a year.

That's a BS excuse because Nissan themselves said the whole point of the 370Z was to go after the Porsche Cayman. Aside from the fact that it's in the same class (2 seat sports car) the Z is up against that kind of competition because Nissan explicitly said that's who they are going after.

The only reason the Z competes with the Mustang/Genesis/Camaro/etc. is price only. I've owned both and I'm telling you they are completely different cars. Not even close to being in the same class. There's a reason I haven't written any extensive 370Z vs. 5.0 comparo on this site or any of the Mustang ones... they are just too different.

pulpz · 02-05-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

That's a BS excuse because Nissan themselves said the whole point of the 370Z was to go after the Porsche Cayman. Aside from the fact that it's in the same class (2 seat sports car) the Z is up against that kind of competition because Nissan explicitly said that's who they are going after.

The only reason the Z competes with the Mustang/Genesis/Camaro/etc. is price only. I've owned both and I'm telling you they are completely different cars. Not even close to being in the same class. There's a reason I haven't written any extensive 370Z vs. 5.0 comparo on this site or any of the Mustang ones... they are just too different.

I still have to disagree with you. Even though Nissan may have targeted the Cayman as a competitive benchmark for the 370Z (as the GTR with 911), it doesn't mean they reached their goal (unless you take into account price). I've driven them both, and if it weren't for cost (and leg room), I would take the Cayman hands down. Just because they both have the same number of seats, it doesn't put them in the same class.

And let me clarify -when I talk about comparing the Z with Mustang/Genesis/Camaro I'm referring to the V6, not the V8. Specifically I'm talking about the following Comparo:

2010 Camaro V6 vs. Genesis Coupe V6 - Comparison Tests

The only objective rational for comparing the Genesis Coupe over the 370Z (as this was American V6 vs. Import V6) is, as you say, 2+2. Which personally, I think in all practicality is a moot point, because most 2+2 2-door sport/muscle cars have useless back seats.

2010 Car And Driver Lightning Lap Nismo Z hits wall. In 2011 Lightning Lap the Z is absent.

Lightning Lap 2011 ? Feature ? Car and Driver

Lightning Lap 2009/2010 The Z SHOULD have been in LL1 class base price under $30K but it was in LL2 because they used the sticker as the base for the Nismo. And of course the brake catastrophe occurred. The Z is present every year before, and absent afterwards.

Z Meets Wall: We Investigate Why the NISMO Z's Brakes Failed at Lightning Lap - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

Lightning Lap 2008: Nismo 350Z in LL1:

The Lightning Lap, 2008 - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver
Lightning Lap 2007: Nismo 350Z in LL1:

Lightning Lap 2007 - Feature - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver

Just my 2-cents. Can you tell I don't have **** else to do today?!?

FL 4Motion · 02-03-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

I have to say this is something I've noticed too over the last year in the car mags. The 370Z is mysteriously absent from comparos lately.

Even the run-of-the-mill V6 comparos with the mustang vs camaro vs (import). They use the Hyundia Genesis now instead of the Z. The conspiracy theorist in may says they picked the Genesis over the Z because they wanted a dead-ringer American winner (mustang), in the post magazines-run-the-domestic-auto-manufacturers in to the ground era.

How do you not include the Z in a V6 < $30K comparo? Wasn't even in the track shoot-offs either.

Maybe the Z is black listed by the mags since the NismoZ brake fade incident last year with Car and Driver was it, or Road & Track?

Dunno. Don't care. I still think the Z is the highest value sportscar on the market (performance+aesthetics+comfort+reliability)/(dollar spent)

Fewer Z's on the road = exclusivity + retained resale value

the conspiracy theorist in me says it's cause all those other car companies you listed are throwing $$ towards the magazine to get their cars featured and nissan isn't doing that for the Z...

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corner3garage The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Laguna Hills, CA Posts: 9,879 Drives: 240sx, 350z, 370z Rep Power: 35	Personally, I dont think the ft86 is going to outperform the 370z. the suspension design is going to be macpherson front(inferior to double wishbone) and for the price i think it targets mostly the 2.0t genesis market, which means it will have less power. __________________ Corner3motorsports.com

02-03-2011, 04:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
fullmonty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 7,762 Drives: 370 Touring/Sport Rep Power: 34	The design of the FT-86s doors was actually subcontracted out to Mazda. Simply put the 370Z can no longer compete in the market and therefore production should be stopped. __________________

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pulpz Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 281 Drives: 09 PG 370Z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 17	I have to say this is something I've noticed too over the last year in the car mags. The 370Z is mysteriously absent from comparos lately. Even the run-of-the-mill V6 comparos with the mustang vs camaro vs (import). They use the Hyundia Genesis now instead of the Z. The conspiracy theorist in may says they picked the Genesis over the Z because they wanted a dead-ringer American winner (mustang), in the post magazines-run-the-domestic-auto-manufacturers in to the ground era. How do you not include the Z in a V6 < $30K comparo? Wasn't even in the track shoot-offs either. Maybe the Z is black listed by the mags since the NismoZ brake fade incident last year with Car and Driver was it, or Road & Track? Dunno. Don't care. I still think the Z is the highest value sportscar on the market (performance+aesthetics+comfort+reliability)/(dollar spent) Fewer Z's on the road = exclusivity + retained resale value __________________ 2016 Cayman GTS 6MT / 2017 Q60 Sport / 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD / 2015 Lexus IS 350 AWD F-Sport (Sold) / 2009 PG 370Z Sport 6MT, (Sold) / 2003 SS 350Z Enthusiast 6MT (Sold)

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Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 20	This guy thinks Z's are sexy.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	the Z's like the "CEO" of some mom/pop shop. the Mr.CEO is the only guy working for that company. silly like tiny companys have all executives and no staff.

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Lol... I can't believe the MIATA door jokes are still going strong. Can someone find that thread please? I need a good laugh.