2011 370z sales

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-20-2011, 04:53 PM

Wow... like I said in the other thread. Say goodbye to the Z. If there is another genration of them? It will be a serious poser car or a electric sports car. The Z will be going down as the last japanese legend.

The hyundai genesis coupe will be the formidable sports car and scion will be its main competitor. As other posers embellish in wanting a rare sports car to have bragging rights don't even understand the impact this will have on JDM motorsports and the overall quality expectations of the cars coming over the next 10 to 15 years. Mustang and camaro will most likely be the only affordable options while korea and Scion go from so called sub standard rice machines to asian import gods.

The only competitive Z's will be the strong few of us that is determined to go FI and keep the track heritage alive on the Z. Its downhill from here. The fwd regal gs will be considered a real sports car. The sonata and veloster will be considered high performance vehicles.
The corvette will get realer and so will the price. As well as mustang and camaro. When the Z finally comes out again it will be @ current GT-R prices and the GT-R will start @ 150k.

RIP affordable fun to drive powerful sports cars. Its 96 all over again. But this time we have hybrids to make sure there's no resurgence of the affordable sports car.

To those that wanted exclusivity. Your dreams are about to come true. Enjoy the repurcussions.

AlphaSnacks · 10-20-2011, 04:55 PM

What the f*ck are you talking about?

O_o

anthonyy · 10-20-2011, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold K.

What the f*ck are you talking about?

O_o

b1adesofcha0s · 10-20-2011, 04:58 PM

6MT · 10-20-2011, 05:38 PM

ibtl

m4a1mustang · 10-20-2011, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold K.

What the f*ck are you talking about?

O_o

My brain just asploded. O_o

Cmike2780 · 10-20-2011, 06:09 PM

Some people are so afraid cars will be slower with a "hybrid" moniker its not even funny. Progress is a good thing and so is change. We will still have sports cars 20 years from now, it will just be different. Heck, if you look back 50 years ago, do you honestly think they would have believed 6 or 4 cylinder engines make the power they do in modern engines today. Compare a first gen 240 to the 370 and the differences are astonishing to say the least. It's kind of like saying a Porche GT3 R Hybrid is no longer a sports car or a modern F1 car no longer a race car because it uses some other source of energy.

Red__Zed · 10-20-2011, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Some people are so afraid cars will be slower with a "hybrid" moniker its not even funny. Progress is a good thing and so is change. We will still have sports cars 20 years from now, it will just be different. Heck, if you look back 50 years ago, do you honestly think they would have believed 6 or 4 cylinder engines make the power they do in modern engines today. Compare a first gen 240 to the 370 and the differences are astonishing to say the least. It's kind of like saying a Porche GT3 R Hybrid is no longer a sports car or a modern F1 car no longer a race car because it uses some other source of energy.

long term, electricity in cars is a good thing (especially because the move to more widely used supercaps is going to make me filthy rich). Short term, it sucks. Companies are half-assing designs and they sell because they are "eco friendly"

DJ-of-E · 10-20-2011, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

long term, electricity in cars is a good thing (especially because the move to more widely used supercaps is going to make me filthy rich). Short term, it sucks. Companies are half-assing designs and they sell because they are "eco friendly"

Have you ever driven a engineering college built electric car on a drag strip? I did.....FUCKEN FAST!

Red__Zed · 10-20-2011, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ-of-E

Have you ever driven a engineering college built electric car on a drag strip? I did.....FUCKEN FAST!

only a gas/electric dune buggy. instant torque is amazing.

m4a1mustang · 10-20-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

only a gas/electric dune buggy. instant torque is amazing.

I like torque.

Exhaust discussion is going to be fun when we are all driving electric cars. "Hey guys, check out this new .mp3 exhaust file I made."

Nismoracer · 10-20-2011, 11:45 PM

I would say sales numbers are down cuz of the economy, tsunami, mustangs,camaros,challengers, and people getting fatter. And people still hating imports not knowing their american car is made in mexico and canada.

autopc25 · 10-21-2011, 08:58 AM

The economy has a lot to do with it, it's back to "needs and wants". The 370Z arrived at a bad time, right in the middle of a Global economic crisis. 2 seat sports cars are not practical for most people. When people loose jobs or have no faith in the economy they scale back and only buy what is needed not what they want. The bad press about dangerous brakes and over heating oil did not help either.

The end of '09 was horrific for the 2 seat sport car market. Winter was on the way for most States, the economy was boiling over and car companies were dumping huge incentives to unload unsold 2 seat sport cars. It's not the 370Z either, numbers are down for everyone. At the end of '09 Porsche was dumping all cars for 23%-25% off MSRP and cut NA allocations by 40% for '10-'11. Miata always had huge discounts at the end of the year, about $6K off. Mazda dealers were calling back offering about 22% off MSRP. 15% off Corvettes.

A interesting thing about the Tsunami. It and the economy created a "perfect storm" in the car market for some people. New supply was reduced after May due to the tsunami. There was almost no production. Demand for used cars went up. I know someone who bought a brand new left over '09 Z in late '10 for huge money off invoice because of the economy. They just sold the car private party for $500 less then what they paid for it brand new after driving it for 14 months! That will never happen again.

Mustangs and Camaros have rear seats so that helps with their sales and base prices are lower.

m4a1mustang · 10-21-2011, 09:05 AM

"It's the economy, stupid!"

I think that's really all it is. It was mentioned earlier that Nissan intentionally produces a low number to protect the Z's image... that's not true. If Nissan could sell 100k of these a year they would do it in a heartbeat. The fact that they planned on 30k in sales in the first year and approved the project on that assumption and now have only sold around 28k three years in shows just how bad things are. I mean we are at 9.2% unemployment if you like to go off the numbers that the government gives us. Real unemployment is actually over 15% if you count the people that have given up on looking for work.

It is VERY difficult for a 2 seat sports car like the Z to thrive in this economy, especially given how competitive the 30-40k segment is.

It is very tough out there. Even cars like the Mustang 5.0 and the Camaro SS are struggling compared to how they have sold in better economic times. If it wasn't for the V6 models those cars would be in the same situation as the Z.

Cmike2780 · 10-21-2011, 01:48 PM

^^ Totally agree. Not just unemployment though... people with the same job 10 years ago are making less and have cut back significantly on descretionary spending. Throw in inflation into the mix and suddenly a splurge on a $40k sports car isn't as appealing. I think that's one of the reasons companies like Hyundai (Genesis Coupe), Toyota/Subaru (FT-86/BRZ) are targeting the sub $30k sporty coupe market. Those that can still afford to splurge will likely venture upmarket, while those who could barely afford the 370Z will likely look towards something more affordable. I think $30K-50k sports car segment is gonna thin out even more if the economic slump continues. Overall though, I think all affordable sports cars are in trouble in the short term. Power specs appeal to the new car buyers in this segment, and with the Mustang and Camaro getting bumps in that department, the Z is gonna be less appealing. It's all about ego's and image when it come to sports cars after all.

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10-20-2011, 06:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 31	Some people are so afraid cars will be slower with a "hybrid" moniker its not even funny. Progress is a good thing and so is change. We will still have sports cars 20 years from now, it will just be different. Heck, if you look back 50 years ago, do you honestly think they would have believed 6 or 4 cylinder engines make the power they do in modern engines today. Compare a first gen 240 to the 370 and the differences are astonishing to say the least. It's kind of like saying a Porche GT3 R Hybrid is no longer a sports car or a modern F1 car no longer a race car because it uses some other source of energy. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

10-20-2011, 11:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nismoracer Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 420 Drives: 10 Nismo Rep Power: 16	I would say sales numbers are down cuz of the economy, tsunami, mustangs,camaros,challengers, and people getting fatter. And people still hating imports not knowing their american car is made in mexico and canada. Last edited by Nismoracer; 10-20-2011 at 11:48 PM.

10-21-2011, 08:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
autopc25 Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: 60610 Posts: 66 Drives: 2008 C6 Rep Power: 17	The economy has a lot to do with it, it's back to "needs and wants". The 370Z arrived at a bad time, right in the middle of a Global economic crisis. 2 seat sports cars are not practical for most people. When people loose jobs or have no faith in the economy they scale back and only buy what is needed not what they want. The bad press about dangerous brakes and over heating oil did not help either. The end of '09 was horrific for the 2 seat sport car market. Winter was on the way for most States, the economy was boiling over and car companies were dumping huge incentives to unload unsold 2 seat sport cars. It's not the 370Z either, numbers are down for everyone. At the end of '09 Porsche was dumping all cars for 23%-25% off MSRP and cut NA allocations by 40% for '10-'11. Miata always had huge discounts at the end of the year, about $6K off. Mazda dealers were calling back offering about 22% off MSRP. 15% off Corvettes. A interesting thing about the Tsunami. It and the economy created a "perfect storm" in the car market for some people. New supply was reduced after May due to the tsunami. There was almost no production. Demand for used cars went up. I know someone who bought a brand new left over '09 Z in late '10 for huge money off invoice because of the economy. They just sold the car private party for $500 less then what they paid for it brand new after driving it for 14 months! That will never happen again. Mustangs and Camaros have rear seats so that helps with their sales and base prices are lower. Last edited by autopc25; 10-21-2011 at 09:04 AM.

10-20-2011, 04:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14860	Wow... like I said in the other thread. Say goodbye to the Z. If there is another genration of them? It will be a serious poser car or a electric sports car. The Z will be going down as the last japanese legend. The hyundai genesis coupe will be the formidable sports car and scion will be its main competitor. As other posers embellish in wanting a rare sports car to have bragging rights don't even understand the impact this will have on JDM motorsports and the overall quality expectations of the cars coming over the next 10 to 15 years. Mustang and camaro will most likely be the only affordable options while korea and Scion go from so called sub standard rice machines to asian import gods. The only competitive Z's will be the strong few of us that is determined to go FI and keep the track heritage alive on the Z. Its downhill from here. The fwd regal gs will be considered a real sports car. The sonata and veloster will be considered high performance vehicles. The corvette will get realer and so will the price. As well as mustang and camaro. When the Z finally comes out again it will be @ current GT-R prices and the GT-R will start @ 150k. RIP affordable fun to drive powerful sports cars. Its 96 all over again. But this time we have hybrids to make sure there's no resurgence of the affordable sports car. To those that wanted exclusivity. Your dreams are about to come true. Enjoy the repurcussions.

10-20-2011, 04:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 20	What the f*ck are you talking about? O_o

10-21-2011, 09:05 AM	#14 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	"It's the economy, stupid!" I think that's really all it is. It was mentioned earlier that Nissan intentionally produces a low number to protect the Z's image... that's not true. If Nissan could sell 100k of these a year they would do it in a heartbeat. The fact that they planned on 30k in sales in the first year and approved the project on that assumption and now have only sold around 28k three years in shows just how bad things are. I mean we are at 9.2% unemployment if you like to go off the numbers that the government gives us. Real unemployment is actually over 15% if you count the people that have given up on looking for work. It is VERY difficult for a 2 seat sports car like the Z to thrive in this economy, especially given how competitive the 30-40k segment is. It is very tough out there. Even cars like the Mustang 5.0 and the Camaro SS are struggling compared to how they have sold in better economic times. If it wasn't for the V6 models those cars would be in the same situation as the Z. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

10-21-2011, 01:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 31	^^ Totally agree. Not just unemployment though... people with the same job 10 years ago are making less and have cut back significantly on descretionary spending. Throw in inflation into the mix and suddenly a splurge on a $40k sports car isn't as appealing. I think that's one of the reasons companies like Hyundai (Genesis Coupe), Toyota/Subaru (FT-86/BRZ) are targeting the sub $30k sporty coupe market. Those that can still afford to splurge will likely venture upmarket, while those who could barely afford the 370Z will likely look towards something more affordable. I think $30K-50k sports car segment is gonna thin out even more if the economic slump continues. Overall though, I think all affordable sports cars are in trouble in the short term. Power specs appeal to the new car buyers in this segment, and with the Mustang and Camaro getting bumps in that department, the Z is gonna be less appealing. It's all about ego's and image when it come to sports cars after all. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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