Spoke to Nissan rep at Philly car show

christian370z · 01-31-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ-NISMO

Interesting news and I definitely think the rumor has validity. Emission regulations and everything else included, it makes sense. Even with all of that, the class that the 370 competes in seems to be in somewhat of a horsepower war. Going past the 350hp mark for the base, and bumping up against 400 for the Nismo will probably attract more buyers even with a small price increase.

If this is true, I will be a little annoyed and definitely wish I had the DI.

I think that once there are a couple Zs out that have had the VVEL adjusted via GTM and have shown any power increases or not, that will be a good indicator as to whether Nissan would be able to get the Nismo up to 400hp or so.

370Z_Fan · 01-31-2011, 05:51 PM

Instead of a power gain how about making the Z a lighter car? That way the Z will be faster and have better fuel economy.

JB1 · 01-31-2011, 08:38 PM

Looks like Some people are expecting miracles from DI. The VQ37 already has a specific output that can compete with the best NA engines out there, including DI engines. 89.7 hp/l for the regular Z and 94.6 for the Nismo. Only Porsche (911) and Ferrari engines have a higher specific output, they also rev a lot higher then our VQ. Even the Cayman S "only" makes 94.1 hp/l with DI

GZ3 · 01-31-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JB1

Looks like Some people are expecting miracles from DI. The VQ37 already has a specific output that can compete with the best NA engines out there, including DI engines. 89.7 hp/l for the regular Z and 94.6 for the Nismo. Only Porsche (911) and Ferrari engines have a higher specific output, they also rev a lot higher then our VQ. Even the Cayman S "only" makes 94.1 hp/l with DI

so a DI 370Z would make it that much better! not expecting miracals, but DI for OURS cars is gonna be a very good thing

JJ-NISMO · 02-01-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JB1

Looks like Some people are expecting miracles from DI. The VQ37 already has a specific output that can compete with the best NA engines out there, including DI engines. 89.7 hp/l for the regular Z and 94.6 for the Nismo. Only Porsche (911) and Ferrari engines have a higher specific output, they also rev a lot higher then our VQ. Even the Cayman S "only" makes 94.1 hp/l with DI

Great point

I remember when the E46 M3 came out and everyone was talking about how it was one of only (insert small number here) production cars in the world producing over 100hp/L. Although the increase in horsepower would not affect performance by much in real world settings, it is still important in this big pissing contest.

I see so many guys here in So Cal with exotics pushing out 400-600 horsepower that can't drive the car at all, but they still want to say they have that much power.

From a marketing standpoint, the HP numbers, 0-60 time, etc. definitely provide talking points and do generate interest. They make for magazine coverage and get people on the lots.

Cmike2780 · 02-01-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ-NISMO

Great point

I remember when the E46 M3 came out and everyone was talking about how it was one of only (insert small number here) production cars in the world producing over 100hp/L. Although the increase in horsepower would not affect performance by much in real world settings, it is still important in this big pissing contest.

I see so many guys here in So Cal with exotics pushing out 400-600 horsepower that can't drive the car at all, but they still want to say they have that much power.

From a marketing standpoint, the HP numbers, 0-60 time, etc. definitely provide talking points and do generate interest. They make for magazine coverage and get people on the lots.

Mazda RX8=178HP per litre.....great handling car, but goes to show how numbers on paper can be deceiving.

JJ-NISMO · 02-01-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Mazda RX8=178HP per litre.....great handling car, but goes to show how numbers on paper can be deceiving.

Can you compare a rotary though?! The Renesis was such a disappointment.

Cmike2780 · 02-01-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ-NISMO

Can you compare a rotary though?! The Renesis was such a disappointment.

That's what I'm saying...it doesn't always translate to the real world. Also, having owned an RX-8 I wasn't really disappointed. It's an impressive engine that's desperately needs FI. That much power from a rotary with that much displacement is still relevant considering a 13B N/A with roughly the same displacement were making around 115hp/liter a decade before.

Junior370z · 01-31-2011, 09:00 PM

I think regardless it being a nismo or base the power output will be pretty close like they are now. Nothing against nismos, but nismos is not much of an upgrade from a sport.

GZ3 · 01-31-2011, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior370z

I think regardless it being a nismo or base the power output will be pretty close like they are now. Nothing against nismos, but nismos is not much of an upgrade from a sport.

JB1 · 01-31-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior370z

I think regardless it being a nismo or base the power output will be pretty close like they are now.

I agree, if Nissan goes to DI it will mainly be for fuel efficiency.

Waiz · 01-31-2011, 09:14 PM

Oh no, can we not rehash the same topic again guys?

No offense to OP but I won't believe anything until I see it announced from Nissan or from someone who attends a focus group.

Most of the people at Car Shows booths represent the booth vendor and not the manufacturer themselves, I know this from personal experience from my
time at Nissan.

ihatepotholes · 01-31-2011, 09:46 PM

talk about insecure at its best... lol at all the people that are butt hurt about this topic. after being on the market for 3 years, a power bump and few other new features seem norm in today's auto industry.

GZ3 · 01-31-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

talk about insecure at its best... lol at all the people that are butt hurt about this topic. after being on the market for 3 years, a power bump and few other new features seem norm in today's auto industry.

really? this is the absolute best display of "insecurity" you have ever seen? butt hurt? hahahah sorry most of us are pretty excited

ihatepotholes · 02-01-2011, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

really? this is the absolute best display of "insecurity" you have ever seen? butt hurt? hahahah sorry most of us are pretty excited

I wasn't talking about you then was I? Move on

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