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CrownR426 01-24-2011 01:02 PM

Engine not cranking...
 
:shakes head:
Woke up today cause I had to move my car, I decided to take her on a nice drive and get some gas! :tup:
Started her up and let her warm up as usual.
Got to my sunoco gas station filled up gas and tried to start her up...
:ugh2:
Wouldn't work...
All I got was the Intelligent Key system warning light.
Can't be the battery cause my lights work and it can't be the keyfob battery because my car locks and unlocks...
I don't know why the service manager said it may not be under warranty!
That's really strange... :eek:
Has anyone else experienced this?
Let me know guys!

ClemsonWill 01-24-2011 01:13 PM

There are definitely a few things to ask first.

Did you plug your key in to the fobgenie?

When you hit the start button are you getting any noises?

How many miles does the car have on it?

I would not rule out a battery first. I have had a battery that wouldn't turn the engine over but everything else worked.

CrownR426 01-24-2011 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemsonWill (Post 909372)
There are definitely a few things to ask first.

1.)Did you plug your key in to the fobgenie?

2.)When you hit the start button are you getting any noises?

3.)How many miles does the car have on it?

I would not rule out a battery first. I have had a battery that wouldn't turn the engine over but everything else worked.

1.) Yes
2.) Doesn't even start
3.) 27,000

Can't be the battery car is barely 2 years old.
Batteries last for 4-5 years. :shakes head:

I know I saw a thread months back and someone had the same issue...
This better be under warranty...
Missed classes and I missed my quiz. :mad:

m4a1mustang 01-24-2011 01:24 PM

I believe this is a somewhat common problem with the intelligent key. The car doesn't recognize the key and refuses to start. I think the dealership just resets software or something.

ClemsonWill 01-24-2011 01:24 PM

Batteries last 4-5 years on average. Some don't last that long. My brother-in-law replaces batteries on brand new cars all the time. They are covered under warrantee. I'm not saying it definitely is the battery but it's a good place to start. It really could be a variety of reasons, battery, alternator, starter, key, etc. I recommend having someone jump you to see if that makes a difference.

zrider 01-24-2011 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 909352)
:shakes head:
Woke up today cause I had to move my car, I decided to take her on a nice drive and get some gas! :tup:
Started her up and let her warm up as usual.
Got to my sunoco gas station filled up gas and tried to start her up...
:ugh2:
Wouldn't work...
All I got was the Intelligent Key system warning light.
Can't be the battery cause my lights work and it can't be the keyfob battery because my car locks and unlocks...
I don't know why the service manager said it may not be under warranty!
That's really strange... :eek:
Has anyone else experienced this?
Let me know guys!

I made a thread because I had the same EXACT problem... The steering wheel lock is not working. Its not the battery. I had mine replaced at the dealership. I had to get it towed and everything.. The thread is called horible experience

CarbonSignal 01-24-2011 02:02 PM

any mods on the car to void the warranty ?!!

CrownR426 01-24-2011 02:05 PM

NOOOOOOOO!
I have stillen cbe + hfc +cai + Uprev Tune
I am so sad....

CrownR426 01-24-2011 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zrider (Post 909427)
I made a thread because I had the same EXACT problem... The steering wheel lock is not working. Its not the battery. I had mine replaced at the dealership. I had to get it towed and everything.. The thread is called horible experience

Was this under warranty? :ugh2:

daisuke149 01-24-2011 02:11 PM

it should be under warranty

none of those parts would have anything to do with the steering lock

CrownR426 01-24-2011 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 909488)
it should be under warranty

none of those parts would have anything to do with the steering lock

Yeah, I have to go back to the dealer cause I took my booklet that includes my registration card and insurance card.
I'm going to read the other threads and tell the Shop Manager the problems that it may be. He probably won't listen to me cause he thinks he's a genuis.

Zeto 01-24-2011 03:51 PM

See this is what you get when you consider a crappy Evo! You're Z came to the forum and saw what you wrote and said "FUK THIS I'M NOT WORKING" :tup:

TongMan 01-24-2011 03:52 PM

Maybe the tune is the culprit.

Zeto 01-24-2011 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 909663)
Maybe the tune is the culprit.

Nah, I have the same tune and no problems whatsoever.

CrownR426 01-24-2011 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeto (Post 909661)
See this is what you get when you consider a crappy Evo! You're Z came to the forum and saw what you wrote and said "FUK THIS I'M NOT WORKING" :tup:

lol, I don't think Zoe(Z) will forgive me. I tried talking to her while starting her up...:shakes head:
She gave me the cold shoulder. :mad:
Dealer did not give me a loaner because im not 25?!:icon14:
I was hoping to get the new Juke as my rental but I guess that backfired :bowrofl:

kenchan 01-24-2011 04:36 PM

yah, the tune ECM and immobilizer are two different circuits, i think.

would turning the steering wheel a little bit to unlock and then re-introduce the key help at all? you'd need another person to hand you the key after you sit down and turn the steering.

not sure. i cant think of any other way but to call 911 for not starting car. :D

ChrisSlicks 01-24-2011 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zrider (Post 909427)
I made a thread because I had the same EXACT problem... The steering wheel lock is not working. Its not the battery. I had mine replaced at the dealership. I had to get it towed and everything.. The thread is called horible experience

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...xperience.html

Sounds very much like the same thing.

Ztoon 01-24-2011 04:41 PM

I had a similar problem. Battery would not hold a charge, so occasionally it would not start after short trips.
Happened when car was less than a yr. old.
Dealer replaced battery, nc..

CrownR426 01-24-2011 04:46 PM

Thanks guys, thought it was my fault!
I've always babied my Z.

CrownR426 01-25-2011 12:42 PM

They think it's the fuse box.
o_____O;;
Part should be here tomorrow or thursday so I should expect my car then.
I hope they are right.
And what could've caused this?!

ChrisSlicks 01-25-2011 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 911237)
They think it's the fuse box.
o_____O;;
Part should be here tomorrow or thursday so I should expect my car then.
I hope they are right.
And what could've caused this?!

I think they are clutching at straws. Hopefully they called Nissan before making this determination.

SoCal 370Z 01-25-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 911240)
I think they are clutching at straws. Hopefully they called Nissan before making this determination.

Ditto :iagree:

CrownR426 01-25-2011 12:51 PM

W/e I went back to the dealer yesterday once I read what you guys said about the steering wheel lock the manager probably thought I was crazy for saying it's that.
He didn't even write down a single thing I said. rofl...
O well it's the dealer's money not mine!

daisuke149 01-25-2011 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 911258)
W/e I went back to the dealer yesterday once I read what you guys said about the steering wheel lock the manager probably thought I was crazy for saying it's that.
He didn't even write down a single thing I said. rofl...
O well it's the dealer's money not mine!

may be their money... but its your car their gonna keep taking parts on/off and drivin around testing etc : (

SoCal 370Z 01-25-2011 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 911258)
He didn't even write down a single thing I said!

Some Service Managers' are like that. The issue is that they are now extending the time you are without your 370Z; add to that their being unable you give you rental. It's a lose/lose until you get you 370Z back and fixed properly.

CrownR426 01-25-2011 03:32 PM

Alright guys so they said that there's no signal from the IPDM to the steering lock relay.
So it's a bad IPDM.
What's that?
o___O;;

SoCal 370Z 01-25-2011 03:43 PM

IPDM = Intelligent Power Distribution Module

Interesting, as there is a current recall on Nissan Titan trucks regarding the IPDM: IPDM recall is official. recall PC068

http://www.the370z.com/members/socal...27371-ipdm.png

kenchan 01-25-2011 03:44 PM

i think it's this thing too?

LOCK SET-STEERING - 370Z (Z34) 2009+ :: Nissan Parts, NISMO and Nissan Accessories - Courtesyparts.com

http://www.courtesyparts.com/images/...0-Z34002_1.jpg

kenchan 01-25-2011 03:45 PM

here's the ipdm... another $500. :D

Nissan Parts, NISMO and Nissan Accessories - Courtesyparts.com

ChrisSlicks 01-25-2011 04:10 PM

There have been some other reported failures of the IPDM but they were fairly rare. I'm always suspicious when the dealer says it is a power module, very easy to accidentally short things when you're in there probing.

kenchan 01-25-2011 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 911630)
Interesting, as there is a current recall on Nissan Titan trucks regrading the IPDM:

lol... i was just about to post this too! :icon18:

IPDM appears very easy to replace. just unclip it (or bolt) undo the harness, plug new one in, clip unit it back on. done.

SoCal 370Z 01-25-2011 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 911695)
lol... i was just about to post this too! :icon18:

IPDM appears very easy to replace. just unclip it (or bolt) undo the harness, plug new one in, clip unit it back on. done.

Hell, I had to beat you to something, for once! ;)

kenchan 01-25-2011 04:28 PM

so from the reading the titan issues, it appears (dont quote me as i dont know the details of the titan recall or the issues with our cars) some kind of vapor exists and causes the contacts in the relays inside to corrode.

so i suppose if you do get stuck and no help around, try unplugging this unit from the car, shake the hell out of it (maybe even kick it around gently on the pavemet to induce vibration to loosen the corrosion), and plug it back in. :icon17: jokes aside it might get you going for that one time you need the engine to start. atleast worth a try.

kinda like a defibrillator tactic. :D

kenchan 01-25-2011 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 911711)
Hell, I had to beat you to something, for once! ;)

:tup:

wilsonp 01-25-2011 05:04 PM

From the Titan recall it appears they are replacing the ECU relay in the IPDM and not the whole unit which is funny since Nissan released a TSB stating never remove any relays and that none are interchangeable. Also seems like it is only for 2006 and earlier, so may not be related?

Some also recommend swapping the ECU relay with the fog light relay (which I guess we don't have?) to start the car in an emergency.

CrownR426 01-25-2011 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 911691)
There have been some other reported failures of the IPDM but they were fairly rare. I'm always suspicious when the dealer says it is a power module, very easy to accidentally short things when you're in there probing.

:ugh2:
This is suppose to be the best dearler in our area.:tup:
Hopefully they have good techs. unlike my other failed experience at a certain dealer.:shakes head::mad:

CrownR426 01-26-2011 02:16 PM

Got a voice message saying that it's on backorder and they don't know when they'll receive it.
I'm getting annoyed now this is day 2 without a car.

kenchan 01-26-2011 02:52 PM

yah, i would DEFINITELY unplug that IPDM, shake it real good, and plug it back in. lol :icon17:

let's hope they do a recall.

sucasa 01-26-2011 03:14 PM

Anyone hoping for a recall on the IPDM should first document their case with
Vehicle Owners | Safercar -- National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)

Next contact Nissan USA and tell them this problem is not a rare one off issue, rather, more and more drivers are experiencing it, and point them to the threads on this forum and documented complaints on the ODI-NHTSA website.

Then, Nissan may issue a service bulletin to upgrade the failing component or issue recall for known defect upon further investigation.

Hopefully Nissan steps up and acts proactively

CrownR426 01-26-2011 05:38 PM

Told them I wanted a rental so I had to drive in this crazy weather to get my rental...
They gave me a Altima 2.5 Special Edition... o_O;;


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