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kenchan 01-26-2011 06:02 PM

Hey that's waaaay better than the pos cobalt Honda put me in when my pos brand new dd civic at the time needed a full week for warranty repair. :D

CrownR426 01-31-2011 02:33 PM

So dealer called me and asked me when I got my tune.
And I got it early summer/late spring time.
I don't know what that has to do with my ipdm.
Also, called me second time couple minutes ago asking me if I have remote starter...?
o________________________O;;
Uh... lol.
Hopefully I get my car back today!
I miss my Z!!!!!!

spitfire9200 01-31-2011 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 919905)
So dealer called me and asked me when I got my tune.
And I got it early summer/late spring time.
I don't know what that has to do with my ipdm.
Also, called me second time couple minutes ago asking me if I have remote starter...?
o________________________O;;
Uh... lol.
Hopefully I get my car back today!
I miss my Z!!!!!!

ruh roh.


Well I don't think they can legally deny you any coverage based on your mods. They have no affiliation with the problem AT ALL. That's like breaking your leg and having your insurance deny you and blaming it on your smoking habit :rofl2:

kenchan 01-31-2011 02:44 PM

wow.... keep us posted. did you mention about the IPDM issue?

CrownR426 01-31-2011 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitfire9200 (Post 919921)
ruh roh.


Well I don't think they can legally deny you any coverage based on your mods. They have no affiliation with the problem AT ALL. That's like breaking your leg and having your insurance deny you and blaming it on your smoking habit :rofl2:

lol thank you! :tup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 919922)
wow.... keep us posted. did you mention about the IPDM issue?

Yes, they were the one's who told me that was the problem in the first place.
Even though I researched on the forums and told them it was the steering wheel lock, which in my opinion is the problem not the ipdm.
:shakes head:
It's been a week without my Z...:mad:

CrownR426 02-05-2011 06:05 PM

Got my Z back yesterday!
Drive back home was amazing!
The documentation I got says, Checked for codes found B2607, S/L Relay B2612 S/L Status, B260F Eng State Sig Lost. Code b2612 S/L Status
Found Sl Relay open circuit, replaced IPDM.
ER found steering lock shorted internally causeing IPDM to short out.
Installed new ipdm and installed new lock assem.

Anyone wana chime in and explain?
The Service manager felt like an *** once he found out that he needed to replace the steering lock relay as I told him when I first dropped off my car.
If he listened to me I would've gotten my car earlier and they would've gone through less of a struggle.
Oh well!
Groundhog saw it's shadow I'm counting down days til spring!

neveucd 02-11-2011 08:15 AM

And now this happens to me...Car will not start, stuck in the lock position, key light remains on, breaks stiff, all other electronics functioning. It seems like everyone all at once....FML. And my car is stuck at my job's parking lot collecting ice, surrounded by other employees cars, with minimal space for a flat bed to fit. Not to mentioned being lowered. I hope they are able to get it on, and fix this crap, without trying to weasel their way out of a warranty claim. This is BS.

neveucd 02-11-2011 08:16 AM

@CrownR426 lol your signature is funny, because it looks as if I'll have to replace both of those things as well. Short block from intakes sucking up water, and now this IPDM stuff.

ChrisSlicks 02-11-2011 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrownR426 (Post 928443)
Got my Z back yesterday!
Drive back home was amazing!
The documentation I got says, Checked for codes found B2607, S/L Relay B2612 S/L Status, B260F Eng State Sig Lost. Code b2612 S/L Status
Found Sl Relay open circuit, replaced IPDM.
ER found steering lock shorted internally causeing IPDM to short out.
Installed new ipdm and installed new lock assem.

Anyone wana chime in and explain?
The Service manager felt like an *** once he found out that he needed to replace the steering lock relay as I told him when I first dropped off my car.
If he listened to me I would've gotten my car earlier and they would've gone through less of a struggle.
Oh well!
Groundhog saw it's shadow I'm counting down days til spring!

Code B2607 - Steering Lock Relay - BCM detects that there is a difference between the following statuses. Steering lock unit ON signal transmitted by IPDM E/R, The steering lock unit status feedbac

Code B2612 - S/L STATUS
BCM detects the difference between
the following status for 1 second
- Steering lock or unlock
- Feedback of steering lock status from
IPDM E/R (CAN)
- Harness or connectors
[Steering lock unit circuit (BCM side) is open or shorted], Harness or connectors [Steering lock unit circuit (IPDM E/R side) is open or shorted]

Code B260F - ENG STATE SIG LOST. Automatically reset when power position changes to ACC.
Just a minor communications error, possibly created when they disconnected the battery and then the car couldn't reach accessory mode when power was restored.

My interpretation - they misdiagnosed the codes and incorrectly replaced the IPDM first. They should have replaced the steering lock first. Chances are there was nothing wrong with the IPDM but they had already replaced it at that point.

SoCal 370Z 02-11-2011 09:07 AM

I'm wondering whether the failure of the 370Z's steering lock unit might related to the solenoid pin being held too tightly because owners' have the front wheels turned to the side and there is additional pressure against the pin? With a key ignition this situation is clearly present when you try to turn the key—on a steering column lock—and you can't until you have pulled the steering in the direction that relieves the pressure on the pin. In the 370Z one takes it for granted that the pin will simply release itself. When the pin is held, it is surely not good on the pin's solenoid and could accelerate failure as the solenoid remains activated trying to dislodge the pin.

kenchan 02-11-2011 09:13 AM

yah sounds like the solenoid is prematurely burning out on some of them. could be just a bad solenoid or as socal mentioned, a stuck pin causing higher (or longer) load on the solenoid's coil. it's just a electro-magnet with a spring-loaded pin. maybe the spring rate is too high?

when you guys are getting in/out of your cars do you hold the steering wheel to support your weight? not sure if it has anything to do with this but it's possible the turning is causing this pin to lock and potentially get stuck. (very speculative but just wanted to point that out).

ChrisSlicks 02-11-2011 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 936869)
I'm wondering whether the failure of the 370Z's steering lock unit might related to the solenoid pin being held too tightly because owners' have the front wheels turned to the side and there is additional pressure against the pin? With a key ignition this situation is clearly present when you try to turn the key—on a steering column lock—and you can't until you have pulled the steering in the direction that relieves the pressure on the pin. In the 370Z one takes it for granted that the pin will simply release itself. When the pin is held, it is surely not good on the pin's solenoid and could accelerate failure as the solenoid remains activated trying to dislodge the pin.

It certainly could potentially accelerate damage to the unit, however many of the actual failures seem to happen when the car is parked straight such as a gas station or parking lot. Weird.

There also seems to be more occurrences in Winter vs Summer, but that could just be coincidence.

The problem happens across the entire Nissan product line but seems to be happening slightly more often on the 370Z and GT-R. This could correlate to the extra force required to activate the lock due to the tighter steering ratio and wider tires (which amount to extra resistance). Thicker fluid in the hydraulic system could be the Winter tie in.

The one question I have to the people that have had the failures - is the steering wheel in fact locked (i.e. can you turn the wheel at all) when you find it in this state?

SoCal 370Z 02-11-2011 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 936906)
The one question I have to the people that have had the failures - is the steering wheel in fact locked (i.e. can you turn the wheel at all) when you find it in this state?

The inverse of what I was thinking, but just as relevant (maybe even more so) to any low resistance electrical failure.

Rep Point added.

Side note: The hatch on our Z takes three tries to open and I spoke to the service department about getting the hatch springs, but they are telling me it is most liking the trunk solenoid. I guess the vendor who provides Nissan's solenoids is in limp d!ck mode these days.

neveucd 02-11-2011 09:54 AM

Yes I can, but it's very hard.

ChrisSlicks 02-11-2011 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neveucd (Post 937010)
Yes I can, but it's very hard.

Well yes it should be hard because the power steering system is creating resistance.

Interesting, so the steering lock is not engaged which means in theory the car is drivable, but the brain is preventing it due to inconsistent feedback from the steering lock assembly. In theory the car could be "hot wired" telling it that the lock is disengaged by sending 12V to pin 97 of the BCM and 0V to pin 98.

kenchan 02-11-2011 10:24 AM

chris - make us a bypass sw! in for GB :tup:

SoCal 370Z 02-11-2011 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 937088)
chris - make us a bypass sw! in for GB :tup:

The problem is when this solenoid fries it may do so with the pin engaged in the column. I'm tempted to yank this solenoid out and zip tie it under the dash.

ChrisSlicks 02-11-2011 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 937088)
chris - make us a bypass sw! in for GB :tup:

A bypass is certainly possible but it isn't as simple as just removing the module. The BCM sends a series of pulses on pin 111 at different intervals and then the lock responds with a feedback voltage on that pin as a sort of success code. It would have to be replaced with a simple electronic circuit that emulated the behavior.

ZeeingAround 02-11-2011 05:20 PM

if anyone takes one of these solenoids out of the, please check to see if there is any lubricant at all on the pin or opening. Condensation on metal that then freezes can be one possible scenario for the sticking pin. also, the programming on the BCM needs to be checked to make sure this voltage to disengage the pin does not stay applied until a feedback signal. There is no reason this solenoid needs more than 2 seconds of being energized to do the job. anymore, and the life expectancy is going to be diminished. has anyone experienced this twice?
If one wire becomes shorted to power or ground, this could cause the solenoid to prematurely die. I wonder if there is possibly a harness problem?

Daishi 02-13-2011 10:52 AM

I've had this happen before. Currently I'm stranded right now for the second time, steering column lock was replaced last year and I guess it's going to have to be replaced once again. Most likely with the same defective unit.

SPOHN 02-13-2011 12:27 PM

I hope Nissan figures this out before cars start going out of warrenty. Maybe a recall.

Daishi 02-13-2011 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 939481)
I hope Nissan figures this out before cars start going out of warrenty. Maybe a recall.

its common on newer cars for these items to fail with any car manufacturer.. its just a bad design, either that or everyone buys the same cheap part from the same maker lol.

CrownR426 02-13-2011 04:47 PM

Lol, yes Neveucd, I am sorry you must go through what I did.
I was pissed off they had to order a shortblock but I was pleased to hear it was brand new being made in japan for my Z.
As for the steering lock relay I was very very annoyed...
Missed my first day of classes for spring semester.
But luckily my teachers were all cool.

ChrisSlicks 02-13-2011 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daishi (Post 939384)
I've had this happen before. Currently I'm stranded right now for the second time, steering column lock was replaced last year and I guess it's going to have to be replaced once again. Most likely with the same defective unit.

I'm very sorry this has happened to you again Daishi.

CrownR426 02-13-2011 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 939770)
I'm very sorry this has happened to you again Daishi.

:worship: :icon14:
:ughdance:
:ugh2:

O&G 07-30-2011 03:20 PM

I pulled my car out of the garage to wash, we had a summer meet today at the shop. When I got out of the car I used the steering wheel to support my weight. (I do not weigh a lot). When I was done I tried to start the car and it was in "LOCK" mode, with the yellow "KEY" light illuminated. The steering wheel is un-locked and I can not access the "ACC" mode in the car. FML. Trying to find a nissan in my neighborhood to borrow their LOCK SET-STEERING - 370Z (Z34) 2009+ :: Nissan Parts, NISMO and Nissan Accessories - Courtesyparts.com! LOL

C09 07-31-2011 10:40 AM

My "key" light sometimes comes on..
is this an indication that it's going to fail soon?

O&G 07-31-2011 03:50 PM

Came out to the garage today to mess w/ the Z again. I had read on another post not regarding this issue that if you reset the ECU and also pump the break 5 times the ECU will reset properly. I tried it out and "BAM" car started up. My steering lock assembly is still broken and the wheel will not lock but atleast I don't have to tow it to Nissan! :) I hate towing lowered vehicles!

ChrisSlicks 07-31-2011 09:55 PM

Good job. You got lucky that it got stuck in the unlocked position!

marty 05-23-2013 03:06 PM

Good news maybe. same thing happened to me. had new IPDM Module assm. installed newlock module installed. then cut the brown wire to lock assm. no prob. since. went to nissan dealer today - he said, yes / gave me RECALL # P3208 NTB13-014 Said i would be repaid for cost to fix $2,274.40.... went to my mech told him he looked it up said no ? was just a bullitan. can any one on site with nissan cinnection check these numbers out and c whats up ? thanx

JARblue 05-23-2013 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty (Post 2330121)
Good news maybe. same thing happened to me. had new IPDM Module assm. installed newlock module installed. then cut the brown wire to lock assm. no prob. since. went to nissan dealer today - he said, yes / gave me RECALL # P3208 NTB13-014 Said i would be repaid for cost to fix $2,274.40.... went to my mech told him he looked it up said no ? was just a bullitan. can any one on site with nissan cinnection check these numbers out and c whats up ? thanx

I'll forgive the thread necromancy since it indicates you actually used the search function :icon17:

It's a voluntary recall. There are a ton of threads on this subject if you search Steering Lock Recall. If you had the work already done and had to pay out of pocket, contact Nissan Corporate, and they should reimburse you for the cost. If you're looking to have the work done, any Nissan dealer should be able to do the work after they verify your vehicle is part of the recall.

kenchan 05-23-2013 03:13 PM

next step... stupid canned message lady at nissan consumer affairs. :ugh2:

kidkotic2001 05-23-2013 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeto (Post 909661)
See this is what you get when you consider a crappy Evo! You're Z came to the forum and saw what you wrote and said "FUK THIS I'M NOT WORKING" :tup:

:icon18: :iagree:


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