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I agree with you regarding the base vs. base comparison. The base Z has much nicer cloth seats (not mouse-fur like most manufacturers use) and you still get the premium

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Old 12-06-2010, 04:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I agree with you regarding the base vs. base comparison. The base Z has much nicer cloth seats (not mouse-fur like most manufacturers use) and you still get the premium steering wheel and leather console.

With the base Mustang you lose the premium steering wheel and dash treatment and it is really very basic. I'd only buy one if I was planing on tearing it down and building a track machine or I had very specific plans for a street machine that would involve tearing all the premium features out anyways.

That's too bad about the pricing, though. I was able to score mine a little under invoice.
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I, like my friend M4, loved my Z. But like him as well, was missing the low end grunt, my Z, even with full bolt ons, had ZERO torque. I wanted a car that had some growl to it, something that would throw me back in my seat when I mash the pedal, and a car capable of 11's with a set of sticky tires. And that my friends, is the 5.0, think about it, Supercar times in a car that costs less than 35k, you cant beat that.

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and yes, the engine bay is dusty, it just made a dyno pass, sue me
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I, like my friend M4, loved my Z. But like him as well, was missing the low end grunt, my Z, even with full bolt ons, had ZERO torque. I wanted a car that had some growl to it, something that would throw me back in my seat when I mash the pedal, and a car capable of 11's with a set of sticky tires. And that my friends, is the 5.0, think about it, Supercar times in a car that costs less than 35k, you cant beat that.

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and yes, the engine bay is dusty, it just made a dyno pass, sue me
Red you got silver like my new vette. Ill have to get some pics on here soon. Im really likin the power like you said; 430 hp and 425 tq is way more fun than the Z TQ. Headers and full exhaust and tune and I should see 60 more whp, getting me somewhere around 450 - 460 rwhp.


My silver is faster. lol.
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I agree with you regarding the base vs. base comparison. The base Z has much nicer cloth seats (not mouse-fur like most manufacturers use) and you still get the premium steering wheel and leather console.

With the base Mustang you lose the premium steering wheel and dash treatment and it is really very basic. I'd only buy one if I was planing on tearing it down and building a track machine or I had very specific plans for a street machine that would involve tearing all the premium features out anyways.

That's too bad about the pricing, though. I was able to score mine a little under invoice.
Yes, base vs base the 370z would have to win hands down in terms of fit, finish, quality, feel (interior), etc. However, I think a premium Mustang GT is a good comparison vs the base 370z but at that point you're looking at a $34k mustang vs a $28k 370z. I just cannot justify the price difference, which is pretty upsetting.

In fact, the price reminds me of the Viper ACR vs Corvette ZR1 debate. Everyone and their mother tried to tell me how much better the ZR1 would be because it was identical in price, made a little more hp, and was supercharged and was an LS9 and was pretty much awesome. I just laughed and said the ACR was the much better deal for a performance car. They literally laughed at me in the face. Now they're not laughing because I've seen a brand new ACR sell for $92k and the ZR1's are going for $125k on a CHEAP day. There's no way Chevy could ever justify that price difference.

Yes, Ford got a bit greedy in my opinion, they're already the most successful American car company, why not make them a bit more affordable? Which is kind of funny because I've only seen a total 3-4 5.0's in my area which is actually the exact same number of 370z's in my area (including my own car). The ones I see that are a dime a dozen are the older S197 ('05-'09). But I've still seen my fair share of 2010 GT's (because they're going so dirt cheap right now thanks to the 5.0).
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Give it time. When magazines list the car as the godsend of performance, all kinds of dweebs will come to buy, guaranteed.

Yes the mustang is fast, no, its not that fast, nor are our cars. Fast is relative and if you think your mustang is a street monster any more than our cars, lol at you.

Pick what you like, buy the car, enjoy it and call it a day, I like Z's.
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Yes, base vs base the 370z would have to win hands down in terms of fit, finish, quality, feel (interior), etc. However, I think a premium Mustang GT is a good comparison vs the base 370z but at that point you're looking at a $34k mustang vs a $28k 370z. I just cannot justify the price difference, which is pretty upsetting.
And there's where I disagree. You can't compare the two trim levels because you get so much more out of the premium Mustang than you would the base Z. Leather, heated seats, bluetooth, premium sound, Sync, etc.

You can get the Mustang equivalent of a "Touring" 370Z starting around 30k invoice.

I think the car is priced pretty competitively. Compared to my 370Z, I paid about $2k less and get a lot more in terms of options and creature comforts. It's gobs cheaper than the Challenger and Camaro which is what really matters, and it compares nicely price-wise to cars outside of it's class. All I know is you know Ford has done something right when the people buying the car are coming from every direction... from Camaros to 370Zs to BMW M's... It's a good car.

Nissan did the same thing with the Z. How many former BMW and Porsche owners do we have here? That says a lot for the car, IMO.
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5.0 are beastmobiles and worth every penny...big ups to ford! I have opted though to forget my 5.0 purchase and move forward with a Ford raptor 6.2 instead. you'd be suprised though what a roll race with 5.0 is like, the Z is a contender in high roll race! We open up the base flight lines here once a month and have a car days My bro in law and me went at it from 80...not stiring the pot but it was not the massacre i expected
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Red, i really believe the 370Z will see high 11's with stickies and boltons...its coming...
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Red, i really believe the 370Z will see high 11's with stickies and boltons...its coming...
I dont think that will ever happen to be honest. Loved my Z, but 11's w/ slicks and full bolt-ons wont happen. 11's for TT'ed Z's is a stretch.
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I dont think that will ever happen to be honest. Loved my Z, but 11's w/ slicks and full bolt-ons wont happen. 11's for TT'ed Z's is a stretch.
how can you say that when theres a 12.3 out there with bolt ons and street tires? just asking on your logic here
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I dont think that will ever happen to be honest. Loved my Z, but 11's w/ slicks and full bolt-ons wont happen. 11's for TT'ed Z's is a stretch.
No offense but what? 11's for a twin turbo 370z is a stretch?
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No offense but what? 11's for a twin turbo 370z is a stretch?
Lol seriously! Am starting to detect ignorance here...
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Red, i really believe the 370Z will see high 11's with stickies and boltons...its coming...
Does your definition of bolt-ons include some high-rpm engine internals or nitrous or something? If not, then no. Not happening. Full bolt-on Z's seem to be running high 12's on a tire.

You can only get just so much from a 3.7L V6 at a certain RPM with a certain amount of head-flow.
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Does your definition of bolt-ons include some high-rpm engine internals or nitrous or something? If not, then no. Not happening. Full bolt-on Z's seem to be running high 12's on a tire.

You can only get just so much from a 3.7L V6 at a certain RPM with a certain amount of head-flow.
the head flow comment i agree with, but i hear our heads are pretty good to begin with....

and yes with no internals or nitrous...just full bolts+ gears and slicksi think the 370Z will see a very high 11. i mean theres already a 12.3 on streets...
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