Yep have to get them when I get home. I think I have a video of a friend of mine,Sarah, trying to drive it.

I have to agree with 10Anomoly I really miss that low end torque and V8 sound. I think the evolution will follow with a redesinged G37 hybrid that will put out around 400HP but there will be compromises in weight, price, and useful operating time. Hyundai refuses to slow down and wants to offer the Genisis Coup with a V8, which would give you that magical marriage of an asian sports car with advanced V8. I'm starting to listen to Nissan Titan Pickup V8s, [Invinity M56s are rare]. I hope they don't offer a hybrid 370z, the
5.6L V8 would be my first choice followed by some sort of detuned Skyline motor. A Ford GT 5.0 would have to be concerned with a V8 Genesis Coup on the road.:stirthepot:

Well I say keep it coming. It's only a matter of time before Gubment comes in and shuts down the horsepower war.

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The problem with the Evo and Mustang is that they put the entire budget into the engine and drivetrain. Then they had to come up with the rest of the car for pennies. The Evo in particular never lets you forget that you're driving a car that's based on pretty much the worst car Mitsubishi makes. Similarly with the Mustang, I feel like there's a lot of obvious cost cutting to be able to give you what you get performance wise for what you pay.

To some people, that's fine. But to me, driving a cheap car, regardless of how it performs, just detracts from the overall experience. I think realistically I'm just way to old for either one of those cars.

The American mentality.

If you were talking about older Mustangs I would agree with you, but nothing about these new ones is cheap. Its every bit as good, if not better in some areas, as my Z was.

Unfortunately your view is a widely held stigma, which, while no longer true with this generation, is going to take some time for the Mustang to break.

Trust me, if Ford was still putting out Mustangs like the 2003 I had I never would have even bothered looking at the car.

/\ Gotcha. Can't argue too much with that mentality, to a certain extent I feel the same way (esp regarding the Evo, although the X has improved the interior compared to previous generations).

/\ Agreed. The newest generation mustang is leaps and bounds ahead of the previous ones in fit and finish, they really turned out a nice car this time. I still think the interior is kinda bland. It just doesn't really feel sporty to me compared to the 370z, but materials wise, it's very good and worlds away from the 2003 era stangs and still better than the last gen too.

You know what turns me off the most about the stang? That dammed radio antenna. Why in 2010 are any cars still coming with one?? It really cheapens the look of the car imo. (ok, rant over now :))

We get it, we get it...the Mustang looks cheap. It's pretty cool that my "cheap" Mustang runs neck and neck with an "expensive" M3. :hello:

What do you guys think about the exterior of the 2011 mustang?

That's what I heard. I have to admit, the new ones look pretty good and sound great. It's tempting.

That's like comparing apples to oranges.

2011 Car and Driver 10 Best
 

The Jan 2011 Car and Driver picked the Mustang GT as one of the 10 best cars of the year.
No 370Z..no Corvette for that matter either

I wouldn't put too much weight on that. C&D whore out their opinions all the time. The new Mustang is a good car, so they're going to say what they can to make it even better to sell mags.

That's all fine and dandy, but you know you'd be praising them if they chose a Z... just sayin'.

I wasn't being negative on the Mustang. Maybe I should have written it better, but we all know the mags will write up the major manufacturers to benefit the market, especially if it's a newly designed car. Again, nothing against the new GT. If you read some of my previous posts, I gave it praise.

I'm not saying you're knocking the Mustang, I'm just saying you know you'd be praising C&D if they called the Z one of their 10 best. Just exposing a double standard, is all. But it's a Z forum so it's not like that's bad or anything... :tiphat:

:D I'm not a big fan of C&D anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered to me. I think both cars are good, so it's a moot point. Hey, you used to have a Z. There was a reason you bought it. Somehow, it appealed to you just like the new GT appeals to me now.

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How about MotorTrend? 'Cause they gave the Mustang props too... LOL

I had a mustang before. Every 30000 miles something major would break down. Like clockwork up to the 100k mile mark its at now. I do wonder how the 5.0 handles with the suspension upgrades and brakes... but I couldn't see myself in another 'tang, or any other car but a Z

How about a thumbnail picture steve so we can see what color combination you found and bought departing the red 370

I wanted more HP and TQ and a car that would handle mods good, especially the tranny so I went to the vette. They are fast and a good DD too. Loved my Z but the vette is making me happy too. So far I cant find any negatives about it compared to my Z but lots of pluses, but it does cost a bit more than the Z. I like that its not as common as the Z is getting now. And the stang too. lol. :stirthepot: for Steve

Oh the paint is much better too.

Ins was cheaper too.

no doubt the Corvette is a great car, and I am happy that I bought one.
The 2012 Boss Mustang, however, is going to be just that, Boss, and probably will run nose to nose with a base Corvette.
I must say though, I definitely miss the steering feedback of my 350z.

it all comes down to if you want power or not.
the 5.0 will smoke our car on a high way roller,but on the track ,i see other wise.
my car owning trend has always been about handeling.
i got my rx7 with a perfect 50/50 and it just rocks fontana speed way,and willowsprings
and i have yet to bring my z out there so i dont know how it whould take the beating i will be giving. but we'll see.
my next car will be a lotus S. ;]

I haven't driven the new 5.0, but I had an '06 GT. The car wasn't perfect, but it was surprising well built. It was pretty solid and virtually rattle-free. It drove well too, the live rear axle was fairly well behaved. Of course, a live rear usually doesn't have an independent rear's sophisticated feel or performance over mid-corner bumps. In that respect, the Z is noticeably better, IMO.

I bet the new GT is a real nice car. I must admit, it's tempting...that 5.0 sounds real good.

I went to see cirque du soleil last night and there was two dodger vipers there. I have to tell you they might be fast and fun to drive once in a while but they are not very comfortable looking. Windows were sliding windows, etc. Not a dd for them.

The 2011 GT now almost exactly matches the M3 on the track. ( 2011 BMW M3 Coupe vs. 2011 Ford Mustang GT - Specs - Motor Trend ) I don't believe the 370Z can keep pace unless it's a very tight autocross (basically no straights). There are plenty of reasons to pick either car, but raw performance goes to the Stang as of now.

That's the feeling I get from driving the two. The Mustang is better balanced and definitely faster, but the Z is more precise. All things being equal (i.e. conditions and driver skill) the Mustang absolutely will be quicker on any track save for some Auto X configurations.

That said, the Mustang is definitely the harder car to drive of the two. In some ways that makes it more fun to drive, but it's definitely going to be a little scary for an inexperienced driver. The Z has a good bit of understeer built into it which helps keeps you in check, whereas the Mustang is much more free to rotate through the center of a corner.

I think an inexperienced driver might be quicker in the Z than he would be in the Mustang around a track. Either way, both are ridiculously fun to drive.

BTW, one good thing the Z has going for it is it's gas mileage. I could average 20 mpg with a 332+ hp daily driver and pull around 30 on the highway.

With the Mustang, I average 16-17 mpg and with the 3.73 gear I might get 25 on the highway. It doesn't matter if it's just a fun weekend car, but if you drive it every day it kind of gets on your nerves. It also sucks that I only have a 16 gallon tank as opposed to 19 in the Z. An extra 3 gallons would have been nice for extended range.

On our caravan down to ZDayZ we are going to have to make one more stop than last year because some jerk can't make it all the way on two stops. :icon18:

If they had priced the 5.0's the way they did with the base GT in 2005 (~$25k range) then I would be driving one right now. Not trying to sound condescending or a mustang hater but comparing the base 370z (which I got mine at $28k before the car I was trading in) to the base mustang GT is literally NIGHT AND DAY. I was extremely unhappy with the interior of the base mustang GT and especially unhappy with the price ($31k+). So even after dealer markup and all things considered with the 370z it was literally $20k out of pocket for me ($9500 trade-in with my '04 Mini Cooper S).

So not including trade-in my base 370z was $29.5k. I couldn't find a single '11 Mustang GT that was under $31k BEFORE tax, dealer crap, etc. My '09 370z is appraised at about $26k at 9k miles. Take that into consideration with ~$33k from a Mustang GT after all the additional fees, and I had like $1750 cash in rebates, etc, it's still $26,000 vs $31,250. I honestly cannot justify trading in my fun little red sports car PLUS $5k in cash for a Mustang GT. Sorry Ford, but your silly pricing has lost you a customer. :ugh2:

I agree with you regarding the base vs. base comparison. The base Z has much nicer cloth seats (not mouse-fur like most manufacturers use) and you still get the premium steering wheel and leather console.

With the base Mustang you lose the premium steering wheel and dash treatment and it is really very basic. I'd only buy one if I was planing on tearing it down and building a track machine or I had very specific plans for a street machine that would involve tearing all the premium features out anyways.

That's too bad about the pricing, though. I was able to score mine a little under invoice.

5.0 are beastmobiles and worth every penny...big ups to ford! I have opted though to forget my 5.0 purchase and move forward with a Ford raptor 6.2 instead. you'd be suprised though what a roll race with 5.0 is like, the Z is a contender in high roll race! We open up the base flight lines here once a month and have a car days My bro in law and me went at it from 80...not stiring the pot but it was not the massacre i expected

I, like my friend M4, loved my Z. But like him as well, was missing the low end grunt, my Z, even with full bolt ons, had ZERO torque. I wanted a car that had some growl to it, something that would throw me back in my seat when I mash the pedal, and a car capable of 11's with a set of sticky tires. And that my friends, is the 5.0, think about it, Supercar times in a car that costs less than 35k, you cant beat that.

From this:

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to this:

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and yes, the engine bay is dusty, it just made a dyno pass, sue me :)

Red, i really believe the 370Z will see high 11's with stickies and boltons...its coming...

404whp and 401 ft/lbs with muffler delete, intake/tune... not bad eh?

I dont think that will ever happen to be honest. Loved my Z, but 11's w/ slicks and full bolt-ons wont happen. 11's for TT'ed Z's is a stretch.

how can you say that when theres a 12.3 out there with bolt ons and street tires? just asking on your logic here

Yes, base vs base the 370z would have to win hands down in terms of fit, finish, quality, feel (interior), etc. However, I think a premium Mustang GT is a good comparison vs the base 370z but at that point you're looking at a $34k mustang vs a $28k 370z. I just cannot justify the price difference, which is pretty upsetting.

In fact, the price reminds me of the Viper ACR vs Corvette ZR1 debate. Everyone and their mother tried to tell me how much better the ZR1 would be because it was identical in price, made a little more hp, and was supercharged and was an LS9 and was pretty much awesome. I just laughed and said the ACR was the much better deal for a performance car. They literally laughed at me in the face. Now they're not laughing because I've seen a brand new ACR sell for $92k and the ZR1's are going for $125k on a CHEAP day. There's no way Chevy could ever justify that price difference.

Yes, Ford got a bit greedy in my opinion, they're already the most successful American car company, why not make them a bit more affordable? Which is kind of funny because I've only seen a total 3-4 5.0's in my area which is actually the exact same number of 370z's in my area (including my own car). The ones I see that are a dime a dozen are the older S197 ('05-'09). But I've still seen my fair share of 2010 GT's (because they're going so dirt cheap right now thanks to the 5.0).

Give it time. When magazines list the car as the godsend of performance, all kinds of dweebs will come to buy, guaranteed.

Yes the mustang is fast, no, its not that fast, nor are our cars. Fast is relative and if you think your mustang is a street monster any more than our cars, lol at you.

Pick what you like, buy the car, enjoy it and call it a day, I like Z's.

No offense but what? 11's for a twin turbo 370z is a stretch? :icon18:

LOL... mine sure is!