Red you got silver like my new vette. Ill have to get some pics on here soon. Im really likin the power like you said; 430 hp and 425 tq is way more fun than the Z TQ. Headers and full exhaust and tune and I should see 60 more whp, getting me somewhere around 450 - 460 rwhp.


My silver is faster. lol.

Of course mustangs are good cars ... Thousands and thousands of soccer moms and 50 year old cougars can't be wrong. Don't those things come with a solid axle still? :rolleyes:

Lol seriously! Am starting to detect ignorance here...

its bliss






so I hear

Mustangs are cool but look at it. They look boring. You gotta do some work to make them look cool. The new 5.0 is sweet. But they gotta get some body kits or something. The shelby's look cool. They have GT's with kits on them, some kind of kit, they look cool. They also cost more too. That stang may go faster in a straight line and if that's what you're looking for, you can't beat it. And none of you would be trading in your Z's if you just got the Nismo version. (There are Hidden Secrets in this car) :driving:

i think they are ugly too. looks just like the v6 plus 2 lights and a badge. nothing really special about it.. its like. oh look another mustang.. but! to each their own.

Does your definition of bolt-ons include some high-rpm engine internals or nitrous or something? If not, then no. Not happening. Full bolt-on Z's seem to be running high 12's on a tire.

You can only get just so much from a 3.7L V6 at a certain RPM with a certain amount of head-flow.

Aren't the heads on the VQ37 pretty good to begin with?

Please tell us the hidden secrets. :rolleyes:

So far all the NISMO has proven to us is that it's a 370Z Base + Sport with body kit and marginally better suspension.

Jnaut has run a 12.30 on an RE-11 tire. He has LTHs, CBE, Stillen G3 (I think), clutch, flywheel, 4.08 gear, probably a pulley and maybe a couple of other things that, IMO, qualify as "bolt-on." That's with a 1.8s 60'.

IF he can run a MT ET Street without shattering the rear end, snapping an axle, or delaminating the driveshaft, I think he could dip into the high 11s on a 1.6x 60'.

I'd say the heads are pretty well optimized but we'll never know for sure until someone cracks VVEL.

if modded Z's start beating modded 5.0's on the drag strip, ford is doing something wrong.

And there's where I disagree. You can't compare the two trim levels because you get so much more out of the premium Mustang than you would the base Z. Leather, heated seats, bluetooth, premium sound, Sync, etc.

You can get the Mustang equivalent of a "Touring" 370Z starting around 30k invoice.

I think the car is priced pretty competitively. Compared to my 370Z, I paid about $2k less and get a lot more in terms of options and creature comforts. It's gobs cheaper than the Challenger and Camaro which is what really matters, and it compares nicely price-wise to cars outside of it's class. All I know is you know Ford has done something right when the people buying the car are coming from every direction... from Camaros to 370Zs to BMW M's... It's a good car.

Nissan did the same thing with the Z. How many former BMW and Porsche owners do we have here? That says a lot for the car, IMO.

the head flow comment i agree with, but i hear our heads are pretty good to begin with....

and yes with no internals or nitrous...just full bolts+ gears and slicksi think the 370Z will see a very high 11. i mean theres already a 12.3 on streets...

i agree with this fully!

The problem is the 12.3 is already on FULL bolt ons and in ideal conditions with a great launch. So that extra 3 tenths has to come from the launch. I have a feeling the weakest link in the drivetrain will be found while attempting to go for that 11.90. It is going to have to be done with ET streets on the back and some skinnies up front.

Now, if the rear end can take that kind of abuse, we're in business. :driving:

Though Jnaut is working on his rear-mounted turbo setup so I bet when he hits the 11s it's going to be with the turbo.

maybe modded vs stock 5.0...but after mod vs mod the no way. The 5.0 is a fawking caged beast...

what is the trap speed on that 12.3 run?

111mph which is indicative of an 11sec pass

111.69. That really shows you he's making all his time on the short-end of the track.

his highest trap is 113

But only just. With a 1.6 60' you might be able to run an 11.9x with a 111 trap.

Yep, it usually works that way. Your lower traps will be on your lower ET runs. Higher traps will be on the higher ET runs relative to the performance of the car, of course.

so those times are with the Z getting a good launch?

Yep, J is getting a 1.8 60' which is very impressive on a street tire (RE-11) and his 1/8 is very quick. That run is basically all launch and really quick shifting to finish it off down the track.

pretty dam good launch, yes...i went to the mustang sites and geez allot of those guys are cutting 1.6 60' or better...dear god....i also wonder if the Z's rear can handle it... i mean our cars where built for track, 5.0 was designed by a panel of mustang enthusiasts geared fro drag...

yea thats my point, people are talking about improving 1/4 time through the launch, and he's already pretty much doing it really well. i can't see him getting a better launch without shredding his axle or w/e. and even if he did, we are talking about a few 1-2 tenths, not like a second. so i dont know where people are gonna get off saying that are car is gonna touch the 5.0 on the strip

Well, it was actualy built for both drag and track, but yes, the rear end in the Mustang is VERY tough. Those 1.6' 60s are probably with ET Streets.

So far the fastest stock Mustang is somewhere in the 12.4x @ 112+ mph zone. With an intake and canned tune they are playing in the 11s with a street tire and a solid launch. Emphasis on solid launch. As with all high-hp cars (Z included) it's all in the launch. If you can't get traction, or if you just suck, you're not going to be running those headline times.

Well, mod-for-mod, it will never touch a 5.0 on the strip. But I think IF the drivetrain can handle a launch of MT ET Streets, he could shave 3 tenths if he can cut a 1.6x 60'.

I just wanted to note I wasn't talking about the available options when comparing the two trim levels. I was merely commenting on how nice the interior looked/felt, not that the base 370z had X option over another. Sorry for the confusion!!

Well I'm glad to hear that you got such a great deal on your 5.0!

In terms of 5.0 vs 370z... just give it up guys. I cannot imagine a 12.4x run trapping ~112 in a stock 5.0 will be repeated too many times (mainly because no one ever keeps mustang's stock lol) but still proves that a full bolt-on, geared, street-tired 370z is a tenth of a second ahead. All you need like m4a1 so smartly put was that with an intake and tune the 5.0 makes significant improvement.

And I cannot lie, a $32k car with supercar-like acceleration is a force to be reckoned with.... even more so once you start thinking about that dealer installed supercharger option /drool

Seriously, it's best to just give up the discussions. These things go on forever and we never get anywhere. :icon17:

Well, at least there are some level-headed folk among us. Wolf :tup:

Indeed. I think it all comes down to what floats your boat. Some love their Z's, some love their Stangs. Some like Oreo Cookie Blizzards.

I would like to see how many of the new 5.0's running on the streets can take on my old (now my dad's) 575HP 610 Pound Feet to the ground 02 GT! That baby is a beast....

alright alright alright so in conclusion 370Z > 5.0 lol ahh good times

mustang- that's one clever sig you got there. lol!! :D

this... http://www.invztr.net/LOUGIF.gif


i lol'ed. :p

Indeed!!!

*Checks website URL* :wtf2:

Definitely growing tired of this engine, but if I were going to make a move it would be one of two ways:

Up to a Cayman S, or older M3 or 911,

or

Down to a more agile, supple, cheaper to modify and track car, like the MX-5 Miata.

But a Mustang? Completely different car, to me. :confused:

Going on and on about this is pointless. Its whatever you like. Because almost any make of car can beat anyother car with the right parts and driver. It just comes down to what you like and how deep you wallet is!

You would be dissapointed.

The older M3, a Cayman S, or a 911 996 is going to probably be equal or slower than your car.

My WS6 mauled 996's and squeeked out a win against a Z4M (basically a lighter M3. This was back when they still had the I6 330bhp under the hood).

I ran a 350Z which had dynoed 265whp (full bolt-ons almost), which is a touch less than the 370's and only put about 2 cars on him from 60-120 or so. The 10-15whp advantage the 370 has on that car and more torque would probably put it dead-even with my WS6, depending on the gear. I know it's a total ricer comparison, but I watched a ton of youtube 'vids of the 370Z going up against various cars I have ran and concluded that in MOST cases, my WS6 would have slowly crawled a fender on it or so until I ran out of 4th gear.

Being as my WS6 compared very favorably to a 911 996 even being in the wrong gear (I just wound it out and stomped on him), and edged out the Z4M, I would guess that the Cayman S, E46 M3, and whatnot, I don't think you would gain a darn thing by trading into any of these cars regarding acceleration. You would gain/lose other attributes of course, but if it's speed and handling togather that you are after, get a 02-04 Z06. Bone stock they have run 11's (Albeit with VERY! good drivers, and that is a record), but usually they are mid 12's in the low teens in factory trim. They pull 1G. They are VERY! easy to get cheap power from. They sell in the mid 20's. The late-model Z06's were a perfection of the C5 platform and pretty darn reliable. It's GM's first 2 or so years of a new platform that always seem to bring the ratings down/have issues, except for 1998 in the F-body. Those seem to have been the best ones based on all I have seen posted about owner experiences, etc. My friend ran 12.9@107 stock on stock tires with his. 1.9 60' and he can shift.

Again, sorry for all the ricer-math above.

To sum it up:

For speed and handling and given a 25K budget (about what an E46 in good shape costs, and way less than a cayman S with the newer engine), you are not going to beat an 02-04 C5 Z06. Mod-for-mod, dollar for dollar, you are not going to beat a C5 Z06. I would put myself out there and say that dollar-for-dollar, if you mod, the C5 Z06 is probably the most capable car made. Mods are cheap, and the platform is great. It can do drag, auto X, whatever you ask of it, depending on which way you take the modding process, without being outside of the car's designed forte.

:facepalm:

:bowrofl:

I know, ricer-math fail, on and on, but I was bored.