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ImportConvert 12-02-2010 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 832931)
Convertible might be a different experience compared to driving the coupe. But I'm sure you're already aware of that.
I LOL'ed.


The 'vert 370Z I drove felt/sounded every bit as solid as the hard-top. Very rare. I was impressed.

Nitrouz 12-02-2010 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 832931)
Convertible might be a different experience compared to driving the coupe. But I'm sure you're already aware of that.
We still have a Z3 at home...don't need another convertible.

Nitrouz 12-02-2010 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 832960)
I LOL'ed.


The 'vert 370Z I drove felt/sounded every bit as solid as the hard-top. Very rare. I was impressed.
It is a very solid car, I just love the Z's roof lines and am not a huge fan of convertibles. Also, when the torque doubles, that solidness may be compromised.

In my last Z, when I hit full boost in 3rd gear with full traction, I could hear and feel the windows creak... I would hate to be in that situation with a convertible.

Cell 12-02-2010 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 833020)
It is a very solid car, I just love the Z's roof lines and am not a huge fan of convertibles. Also, when the torque doubles, that solidness may be compromised.

In my last Z, when I hit full boost in 3rd gear with full traction, I could hear and feel the windows creak... I would hate to be in that situation with a convertible.
I think the Z's roof is the same as the GTR. I may be wrong.

wilsonp 12-02-2010 06:44 PM
I test drove a roadster before getting mine. Main differences I remember are cooling in the seats (it was summer), slightly more claustrophobic roof, quieter in the back (no pebble goes unheard in the coupe!).

azn370z 12-02-2010 07:04 PM
2012 Nissan GT-R officially goes 0-60 in 2.9 seconds — Autoblog

I would never trade in my z for a gtr.

flashburn 12-02-2010 07:05 PM
I just want both, that's all. :)

HKYStormFront 12-02-2010 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 833075)
I think the Z's roof is the same as the GTR. I may be wrong.
um... in a word, no :icon17:

m4a1mustang 12-02-2010 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 833391)
um... in a word, no :icon17:
Yeah. It has a similar cantilever roofline but the actually roof is not the same. :icon17:

SkyZ 12-02-2010 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 831625)
Hey thanks mate. I don't think I'll mod this 370z as much as my old 350, but I do want to do the basics (exhaust, suspension, kit, wheels, turbos). I guess that's all the Nismo inclusions, but I want aftermarket. So I guess a non-nismo would be best suited for me.

Anyways good luck! Hope you and Juno enjoy the car!
hahaha thats what you think now =p, but i dunno a lot of the fully modded balls out cars i've seen start off as "basic" mods that just seem to add up and add up.

ImportConvert 12-02-2010 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 833075)
I think the Z's roof is the same as the GTR. I may be wrong.
Z sits lower. GTR is higher.

Juno 12-02-2010 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 831577)
yup it claws through the pavement. Whereas the Z gets a little tail happy if the entry balance isn't right. The GTR eats up corners like nothing, with no drama, just straight annihilation.
:iagree: There have been a few times on the track when I've gone into a corner way too fast, expecting to end up in the grass (or a tire wall), but the GT-R just stuck. I'm going to be slow the first few times I go in the Z while I'm learning to trust myself in RWD again. And as much as I love the 6MT around town, I'm going to miss the DCT on the track. Until we bring the next one home, anyway...LOL

Nitrouz 12-02-2010 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Juno (Post 833752)
:iagree: There have been a few times on the track when I've gone into a corner way too fast, expecting to end up in the grass (or a tire wall), but the GT-R just stuck. I'm going to be slow the first few times I go in the Z while I'm learning to trust myself in RWD again. And as much as I love the 6MT around town, I'm going to miss the DCT on the track. Until we bring the next one home, anyway...LOL
it took me a while to get used to the GTR on the track. At first I was tracking it based on my experience. It kept understeering no matter how I adjust my suspension. It really started to piss me off and I went faster, and faster, until a point where your mind logically thinks you're going TOO fast. That's when the GTR comes alive. You don't squeeze the throttle after the apex. You PUNCH IT. That's how it adjusts its balance. And it pulls it straight out of the corner faster than any other car out there.

Spec Jay 12-03-2010 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 832258)
and yet I'm still at minimal reps......:icon14:
Thats because it was the other "half" that was the entertaining part :roflpuke2:

FL 4Motion 12-03-2010 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Juno (Post 833752)
:iagree: There have been a few times on the track when I've gone into a corner way too fast, expecting to end up in the grass (or a tire wall), but the GT-R just stuck. I'm going to be slow the first few times I go in the Z while I'm learning to trust myself in RWD again. And as much as I love the 6MT around town, I'm going to miss the DCT on the track. Until we bring the next one home, anyway...LOL
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 833758)
it took me a while to get used to the GTR on the track. At first I was tracking it based on my experience. It kept understeering no matter how I adjust my suspension. It really started to piss me off and I went faster, and faster, until a point where your mind logically thinks you're going TOO fast. That's when the GTR comes alive. You don't squeeze the throttle after the apex. You PUNCH IT. That's how it adjusts its balance. And it pulls it straight out of the corner faster than any other car out there.

/\ and I very much appreciate you not kissing the wall sweetie. :tup:


I really don't think folks who haven't driven a GTR on the track can really truely appreciate what the car is capable of. It's an amazing machine.

HKYStormFront 12-03-2010 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 833758)
it took me a while to get used to the GTR on the track. At first I was tracking it based on my experience. It kept understeering no matter how I adjust my suspension. It really started to piss me off and I went faster, and faster, until a point where your mind logically thinks you're going TOO fast. That's when the GTR comes alive. You don't squeeze the throttle after the apex. You PUNCH IT. That's how it adjusts its balance. And it pulls it straight out of the corner faster than any other car out there.
that was my impressions based on driving it hard on the road, i'd love to take a few 7/10th's laps in one on track sometime tho :driving:

bdl99 12-03-2010 02:53 PM
I was going to refrain from saying anything but....

You can definitely tell the guys who have owned or driven the cars they are talking about from those who haven't. I'm one who loves both GTR and 350z/370z for different reasons. My GT-R isn't really a daily driver because I spend most of my time travelling on trains and planes, but when I do drive it on the street I enjoy it and as an added bonus my daughter fits in the back seat!. Then when I drive it on the track I admit I enjoy it even more, but then that would probably be true of any car (especially a fast one). I grew up in the UK where most all cars are stick, so I know all about driving a manual(stick) and owned a TT Supra in the UK so know all about rear wheel drive. The GT-R gearbox is not your typical auto box and is really just the future. Finally for anyone who thinks the GT-R drives itself take a look at the following, sure the GT-R has great handling and is more forgiving than some cars but still fun in the hands of people who can drive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGcLxUF6okk

ImportConvert 12-03-2010 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 835045)
I was going to refrain from saying anything but....

You can definitely tell the guys who have owned or driven the cars they are talking about from those who haven't. I'm one who loves both GTR and 350z/370z for different reasons. My GT-R isn't really a daily driver because I spend most of my time travelling on trains and planes, but when I do drive it on the street I enjoy it and as an added bonus my daughter fits in the back seat!. Then when I drive it on the track I admit I enjoy it even more, but then that would probably be true of any car (especially a fast one). I grew up in the UK where most all cars are stick, so I know all about driving a manual(stick) and owned a TT Supra in the UK so know all about rear wheel drive. The GT-R gearbox is not your typical auto box and is really just the future. Finally for anyone who thinks the GT-R drives itself take a look at the following, sure the GT-R has great handling and is more forgiving than some cars but still fun in the hands of people who can drive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGcLxUF6okk

So, basically, for someone who is a bit nervous about getting all 4-tires spinning on their $90K investment, it looks boring as hell. I am not a pro driver, and I would not feel comfortable in some of the situations that driver puts the car in. I would get A LOT! more joy doing more than just turning the wheel, by driving something like a GT500 or a 'vette around VIR/the street. I'm not about having the quickest lap-time.

I am about having fun with my investment, because monetarily--cars are a fools purchase. It's all about fun, and if you're not having it, you wasted your money. It will never be worth what you payed ever again, the difference is made up in smiles. I couldn't get as many out of that car as I could another. It appears OP is in agreement as well.

I want a 500bhp car that is quick from a roll, can roast the tires if I want turning off ALL nannies (without voiding a warranty), and has 3 pedals.

All-out, the GT-R bested the Z06 by less than 3 seconds at VIR. There is no way that I could drive either car to that potential. I'd rather feel faster in the Z06 than be a tick faster in the GT-R. It's about fun for me. Maybe some of you make money off of your skills at the track, or have sponsors that must be kept happy. I don't.

Mt Tam I am 12-04-2010 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 829293)
Hello,

I've just contacted my dealership to find me a 370z (no Z's left on their lot) and I will trade in my GTR for it. I'm just debating between black and blue... unsure which color I like more.

The last time I remember REALLY enjoying driving, was when I was driving my stock block 350Z with an APS TT kit. Simple TT kit on a stock block conservatively tuned, nice suspension, simple bodykit, wheels and tires. Nice unique little pocket rocket. Since then, I've spent a lot of money and time and built up the Z into a complete daily drivable show car. Lots of fun, but sometime in the build, it became more hassle than actual, uninhibited FUN. Always had to keep an eye on the gauges, listening to sounds, refilling water/meth, worrying if I want to go for a long distance road trip, etc.

Therefore I went for the GTR. With the GTR, it's an AWD all-season car, to the full extent. Fast, unique, 4 seater, good sized trunk, dual-clutch tranny, easily tunable, etc. Makes sense right? I spent the last 2 1/2 years of my life with the daily driven GTR. Full exhaust, intake, HKS BOV's, Cobb custom tune, wheels, suspension, lip kit, etc. Nice and simple. Sounds amazing. Makes sense in every aspect to keep it. However, I overlooked the most basic and primal factor in driving......the "fun". Don't get me wrong, the GTR is extremely fun on the racetrack, blowing past 911 turbos, GT3's, Lambos, Ferraris, etc. But on the street where I spend 90% of my driving time? Not so much. Fully stable and full of traction, it is not "fun" until you pass 140mph in a high speed corner. Yes it goes from 0-60 in under 3 seconds, but that's as much fun as it gets on the street. For me at least.

Therefore I've decided to go back to basics. 370z, simple GTM 500whp kit, wheels, suspension, kit, some other aesthetics. Simple little pocket rocket where I can have fun at 40mph instead of having to push up to 150+mph to have fun.

Now...I've been researching on this forum over the past few days. Great site btw. Read some of the little problems with the 370z (overheating, etc). Other than that, has anyone here found anything really annoying with the 370z? Not something everyone would KNOW from a test drive...but actually living with the car, any EMOTIONAL disappointments? I'm not looking for the fastest car. I'm not looking for the rarest. I'm looking for something that is rewarding emotionally everytime I get into the driver seat.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Alex
Nitrouz,
Since you posted this, I can not believe what you have had to put up with here at the370z.com. I almost feel you need an apology for all the input you did not ask for while getting an ear full from ignorant folks who seem to know more than you, an owner and driver of a GTR. Yet I did not read anywhere that you asked for GTR criticism only 370 Z advice. Still you've received plenty of comments from those who don't own 370's either. It is hard to understand how anyone would argue with two and a half years of experience vs. something they read on the internet. It is truly laughable.

You have seemingly managed to figure out what your first mods will be somehow. Well done.

My advice as someone who needed a new engine* due to oil consumption, is that you make certain that the rings are seated before you destroy your power train warranty with the turbos. Then go for it.

Best of luck on your project, and wonderful to have you here with us.

* Nissan did replace and gave me an extended 5 year service contract to boot.

Nitrouz 12-04-2010 02:57 PM
Thanks to that person who said there's a 40th anni Z in markham ontario. That's actually the last one. I'm paying extra to have it shipped to vancouver. Just signed the papers at the dealership. I'll have it in 2-3 weeks in trade of my GTR plus cash.

djpathfinder 12-04-2010 03:11 PM
Cool...I actually saw that one displayed at the dealership 3 weeks ago as I was driving by when I was in Toronto. Congrats on your purchase. Great taste in colour, btw. ;)

FL 4Motion 12-04-2010 03:52 PM
Congrats Nitrouz, can't wait to see your build progress, pls make sure to keep us updated on your new ride once you take delivery.

bdl99 12-04-2010 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 836447)
Thanks to that person who said there's a 40th anni Z in markham ontario. That's actually the last one. I'm paying extra to have it shipped to vancouver. Just signed the papers at the dealership. I'll have it in 2-3 weeks in trade of my GTR plus cash.
Congratulations and glad you found one.

mjch3n 12-04-2010 07:54 PM
Congrats man. Enjoy it! Can't wait to see what you do with it.

Nitrouz 12-04-2010 08:23 PM
Thanks guys. Ordering wheels, kit, suspension, exhaust on Monday.

m4a1mustang 12-04-2010 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 836745)
Thanks guys. Ordering wheels, kit, suspension, exhaust on Monday.
Awesome. :tup:

djpathfinder 12-04-2010 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 836745)
Thanks guys. Ordering wheels, kit, suspension, exhaust on Monday.
Can you be a little more specific?

And, why waste time and wait for Monday?...you can order online 24/7. :tup:

Nitrouz 12-04-2010 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by djpathfinder (Post 836893)
Can you be a little more specific?

And, why waste time and wait for Monday?...you can order online 24/7. :tup:
Sorry can't say too much. Some stuff are prototypes.

bdl99 12-04-2010 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 836191)
It is hard to understand how anyone would argue with two and a half years of experience vs. something they read on the internet. It is truly laughable.
Certainly is, although most of it wasn't really directed at Nitrouz, just a door opening for a bash the GT-R session. Which of course Nitrouz responded to because he knows the car very well as he has driven it for 2 1/2 years. I just wish the stick loving guys here would at least experience a DCT box before judging. If after giving it a chance they want to say how crap it is then fine, but please base it on more than reading a few forum posts. Saying they like to change gear themselves is like me saying that your not accelerating yourself unless its a cable (no fly by wires) or you are not braking yourself if you have one of those nanny servos. I just like to call it progress. I came close to getting the Z06 and also looked at ZR1 and can appreciate them for what they are. I don't need to put another car down to make me feel good about my purchase. Again none of this is directed at Nitrouz or you.

djpathfinder 12-04-2010 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 836929)
Certainly is, although most of it wasn't really directed at Nitrouz, just a door opening for a bash the GT-R session. Which of course Nitrouz responded to because he knows the car very well as he has driven it for 2 1/2 years. I just wish the stick loving guys here would at least experience a DCT box before judging. If after giving it a chance they want to say how crap it is then fine, but please base it on more than reading a few forum posts. Saying they like to change gear themselves is like me saying that your not accelerating yourself unless its a cable (no fly by wires) or you are not braking yourself if you have one of those nanny servos. I just like to call it progress. I came close to getting the Z06 and also looked at ZR1 and can appreciate them for what they are. I don't need to put another car down to make me feel good about my purchase. Again none of this is directed at Nitrouz or you.

Well said!

Nitrouz 12-04-2010 11:30 PM
When someone else starts paying for my cars, they can tell me what they like or don't likee about my car. ;)

LMBmikeZ 12-04-2010 11:46 PM
nice choice for Z!!!

your past rides look sick!

Nitrouz 12-05-2010 12:00 AM
Thank you sir.

CrownR426 12-05-2010 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitrouz (Post 836991)
When someone else starts paying for my cars, they can tell me what they like or don't likee about my car. ;)
:iagree:

The BlueMax 12-05-2010 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ztoon (Post 829632)
Thanks man! Love to see your 350 as well, if you've got any pics to share.

Here's a few thumbnails. Got a bunch more on my albums profile page.
That rear end treatment is to die for, the front lower section is good, great car, your wheels look very 350z

Juno 12-05-2010 12:32 AM
Congratulations! I love the color of the 40th. Can't wait to see what you come up with. :)

Nitrouz 12-05-2010 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Juno (Post 837057)
Congratulations! I love the color of the 40th. Can't wait to see what you come up with. :)
Thanks Juno!

98intrigue 12-06-2010 10:53 AM
I'm glad you were able to find a 40th! It doesn't have Navi like you wanted though:shakes head: haha

I'm excited to see what you have in store...looks like another awesome 40th is on it's way!

theDreamer 12-06-2010 11:03 AM
Actually, I thought the Canadian's got Navigation only the US anniversary did not?

98intrigue 12-06-2010 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 838807)
Actually, I thought the Canadian's got Navigation only the US anniversary did not?
Yeah, I thought of that...but then I wondered if it was the North American 40ths that didn't receive navigation? I think you're right though.


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