First 6MT. Questions on driving stick...

KainZ · 11-12-2010, 09:15 PM

Sorry noob question, I'll be getting my Z in the coming year, what's so bad about the 1st to 2nd shift that's such a pita? I've driven other MT vehicles, Scion, Civic, even a Korean Bongo, never really had problems shifting from 1st to 2nd, mine was always dead stop to 1st without stalling a couple times. (This has recently been learned and I don't stall out nearly as much as I used to, hardly at all now, but I haven't driven the Z yet.)

Cmike2780 · 11-12-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KainZ

Sorry noob question, I'll be getting my Z in the coming year, what's so bad about the 1st to 2nd shift that's such a pita? I've driven other MT vehicles, Scion, Civic, even a Korean Bongo, never really had problems shifting from 1st to 2nd, mine was always dead stop to 1st without stalling a couple times. (This has recently been learned and I don't stall out nearly as much as I used to, hardly at all now, but I haven't driven the Z yet.)

It's a little "notchy" shifting from 1st to 2nd in the Z and takes some practice to do it smoothly without snapping your head back. It's hard to describe and just something you have to experience first hand.

KainZ · 11-12-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

It's a little "notchy" shifting from 1st to 2nd in the Z and takes some practice to do it smoothly without snapping your head back. It's hard to describe and just something you have to experience first hand.

Oh ok, when I get back from Iraq next year I'll be able to see how it feels. Getting excited thinking about getting behind the wheel and feeling the increase in performance over my 2003 Hyundai Accent GT. >_< (hangs head and waits for pointing and laughing to commence.)

Rone · 01-25-2011, 04:06 PM

I got a question for the M/T vets, so I figured I'd bump this old thread, instead of starting a new one.

A few years back, a friend of mine taught me how the drive a M/T car (civic, don't know the year, but it was older). I never ventured out of the deserted parking lot, though. I've also been riding street bikes for almost a decade. Okay, enough background, here is the question.

On a bike, when you're in the friction zone, the bike will move forward (on level ground) without opening the throttle. Is the same true for a car? Does it put unnecessary strain on the car?

From the thread, I get that you can feel the engine slow down and you can feel it "grab", but will it go with no gas? When it's time to drive off the lot, I hope nobody is looking and I don't over think it, LOL. I might let the wife do the honors since she has more xp.

LuckyJinx · 01-25-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rone

I got a question for the M/T vets, so I figured I'd bump this old thread, instead of starting a new one.

A few years back, a friend of mine taught me how the drive a M/T car (civic, don't know the year, but it was older). I never ventured out of the deserted parking lot, though. I've also been riding street bikes for almost a decade. Okay, enough background, here is the question.

On a bike, when you're in the friction zone, the bike will move forward (on level ground) without opening the throttle. Is the same true for a car? Does it put unnecessary strain on the car?

From the thread, I get that you can feel the engine slow down and you can feel it "grab", but will it go with no gas? When it's time to drive off the lot, I hope nobody is looking and I don't over think it, LOL. I might let the wife do the honors since she has more xp.

Lightly releasing the clutch will let you roll a bit, if its brand new then its likely you wont be able to do this. Also, a Z isn't like a civic so its line driving a new mt car again. You'll stall.

Rone · 01-25-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyJinx

Lightly releasing the clutch will let you roll a bit, if its brand new then its likely you wont be able to do this. Also, a Z isn't like a civic so its line driving a new mt car again. You'll stall.

Lol, I can almost see all the guys at the dealership in the rear view, pointing and laughing. At least I have some kind of foundation and know the mechanics of it. I just have to retrain my muscles for the friction zone and throttle responsiveness.

EazyD · 01-25-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rone

I got a question for the M/T vets, so I figured I'd bump this old thread, instead of starting a new one.

A few years back, a friend of mine taught me how the drive a M/T car (civic, don't know the year, but it was older). I never ventured out of the deserted parking lot, though. I've also been riding street bikes for almost a decade. Okay, enough background, here is the question.

On a bike, when you're in the friction zone, the bike will move forward (on level ground) without opening the throttle. Is the same true for a car? Does it put unnecessary strain on the car?

From the thread, I get that you can feel the engine slow down and you can feel it "grab", but will it go with no gas? When it's time to drive off the lot, I hope nobody is looking and I don't over think it, LOL. I might let the wife do the honors since she has more xp.

Yeah, I'm no vet, (this was my first M/T) but you can get the car going by just really gently releasing the clutch. Keep in mind you gotta find where the friction point is, so going past it without gas might stall you once or twice. It really only works on level ground, and is useful for backing into spaces.

gpolak · 01-25-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KainZ

Sorry noob question, I'll be getting my Z in the coming year, what's so bad about the 1st to 2nd shift that's such a pita? I've driven other MT vehicles, Scion, Civic, even a Korean Bongo, never really had problems shifting from 1st to 2nd, mine was always dead stop to 1st without stalling a couple times. (This has recently been learned and I don't stall out nearly as much as I used to, hardly at all now, but I haven't driven the Z yet.)

The Z will hold the revs when you push the clutch in for about a second. If you shift quickly the car will jerk as the synchros try to force them down. Just give a bit for the revs to drop to the appropriate level (if you have rev match they'll never fall below the where they're supposed to be) and you'll be smooth as butter. Don't forget to give it a bit of gas as you ease out the clutch as well.

supraman626 · 01-25-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gpolak

The Z will hold the revs when you push the clutch in for about a second. If you shift quickly the car will jerk as the synchros try to force them down. Just give a bit for the revs to drop to the appropriate level (if you have rev match they'll never fall below the where they're supposed to be) and you'll be smooth as butter. Don't forget to give it a bit of gas as you ease out the clutch as well.

totally true and right on target, i've seen alot of threads with people struggling with smooth shifts from 1st-2nd. I was struggling myself in the beginning, but now i learn to give her some time and then she'll treat u rite. i wished nissan had program the car to have the revs drop down faster just like a car without the synchro rev when depressing the clutch on first gear for a smooth shift without waiting. I still give props to nissan though for the world's first synchro rev.

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11-12-2010, 09:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
KainZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 24 Drives: TBD Rep Power: 16	Sorry noob question, I'll be getting my Z in the coming year, what's so bad about the 1st to 2nd shift that's such a pita? I've driven other MT vehicles, Scion, Civic, even a Korean Bongo, never really had problems shifting from 1st to 2nd, mine was always dead stop to 1st without stalling a couple times. (This has recently been learned and I don't stall out nearly as much as I used to, hardly at all now, but I haven't driven the Z yet.)

01-25-2011, 04:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rone Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 326 Drives: PW Sport/Touring 6MT Rep Power: 16	I got a question for the M/T vets, so I figured I'd bump this old thread, instead of starting a new one. A few years back, a friend of mine taught me how the drive a M/T car (civic, don't know the year, but it was older). I never ventured out of the deserted parking lot, though. I've also been riding street bikes for almost a decade. Okay, enough background, here is the question. On a bike, when you're in the friction zone, the bike will move forward (on level ground) without opening the throttle. Is the same true for a car? Does it put unnecessary strain on the car? From the thread, I get that you can feel the engine slow down and you can feel it "grab", but will it go with no gas? When it's time to drive off the lot, I hope nobody is looking and I don't over think it, LOL. I might let the wife do the honors since she has more xp.