6 speed manual without the clutch pedal

Red__Zed · 07-22-2011, 10:27 PM

wdkwang · 07-22-2011, 11:17 PM

11Thumper · 07-23-2011, 02:48 AM

What's the difference between a clutchless 6MT and the 7AT? Seems pointless...

bvl · 07-23-2011, 05:56 AM

Do some research on the topic.

There are some very significant differences between the two if you are looking at it from an engineering and performance perspective.

An AT uses a torque converter. AT's have gotten better, but its still a slushbox by design.

A clutchless manual will still have a disc and pressure plate, along with some mechanism (usually hydraulic) to engage/disengage.

In addition, some of the clutchless units have dual discs and shafts, allowing gear selection to be staged, with a net effect of *very* fast shifting, far faster then an AT. VW has this.

Its not just a technology for Ferrari, Porsche (PDK), and BMW (SMG): VW has had it for a few years now. You can get it on a TDI even. I think Nissan
only uses it in the US on the GTR, and that transmission is complicated by
the AWD system and other factors, it won't see duty in a Z ever.

It remains to be seen over time if this trend will increase or not: initially there is added complexity and engineering that goes into it. Early units were not as smooth in stop/go traffic as a AT but that is getting better with each generation. Some think a true manual is going the way of the dodo.

In the US, I tend to agree with that based on sales numbers and the number of people who utterly cannot drive out there.

In a perfect world, it would be mandated that every car has a manual (a few exceptions of course)...this would drastically cut down on the narcissists with their cell phones while driving. People would still do it, but it would be far less.

- b

CBRich · 07-23-2011, 07:35 AM

Thank you. The difference is the torque converter.

PapoZalsa · 07-23-2011, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidgaddy

My girlfriend had a oid VW Bug like that

Yeap, My cousin had one like that back in the days, it was weird.

mcphelps · 07-23-2011, 11:34 AM

The last generation of the Toyota MR2 had an optional clutchless 6 speed.

Rooster89 · 07-23-2011, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DjSquall

:roflp uke2:

TOO SOON!

DjSquall · 07-23-2011, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-24-2011, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nissan370z

This would be pretty cool. Having a 6 speed manual but without a clutch. Would you get one if they did make them? I sure would. No flaming. Either way, I doubt there's enough people here so far to flame,

A DCT with launch control would be the same thing.

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