Camaro board "Z only real competitor"

[Jamaica]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I have plenty of seat time as well. I have no doubt the Brembo 5.0 is the faster car stock-for-stock around a track. It's better balanced, has better brakes, and can put the power down a lot better for a nice exit.

It drives much differently than the Z, though. I'd say it's a lot harder to drive the 5.0 fast than it is the Z.

The only place I could see the Z having an advantage is in Auto X. Lighter, shorter wheel base, and more nimble. Everywhere else the Brembo 5.0 has the edge.

Not knocking on the Z at all... just sharing my experience.

when i test drove it it seemed soo heavy thou.

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by jamaica951

when i test drove it it seemed soo heavy thou.

Brembo GT?

It is bigger and heavier, you definitely feel it. The Z feels smaller and more nimble but that feel is kind of deceptive in that it makes you think the car is actually a better handler than the 5.0. They are just different feels and take different styles of driving.

The Z is more precise but it also has a lot of understeer built in, so it's got more of that "on rails" feeling when you push it really hard. You will lose the front end of the Z before you lose the rear if you really try to attack a corner too hard.

The Mustang is almost perfectly neutral in balance. It rotates the corner a lot better and can really exit well because of it. It's just a lot harder to drive fast because it's so much more free to rotate. You tend to slide more in the 5.0 and that makes it really difficult for an inexperienced driver to get it to go around a track quickly.

IMO if you put a total newb out on track in a Z and a Brembo 5.0, he'd probably be quicker early on with the Z because it's (based on my experience) much easier to drive at the limit. But a more experienced driver will be able to hustle the Mustang around the track a lot quicker.

Whatever, though. To each his own. If I could afford to do it right now I'd still have my 370Z and my 5.0 in the driveway.

Edit: And if I could really afford it I'd also have a drop top 5.0 and 370Z Roadster.

[GZ3]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Brembo GT?

It is bigger and heavier, you definitely feel it. The Z feels smaller and more nimble but that feel is kind of deceptive in that it makes you think the car is actually a better handler than the 5.0. They are just different feels and take different styles of driving.

The Z is more precise but it also has a lot of understeer built in, so it's got more of that "on rails" feeling when you push it really hard. You will lose the front end of the Z before you lose the rear if you really try to attack a corner too hard.

The Mustang is almost perfectly neutral in balance. It rotates the corner a lot better and can really exit well because of it. It's just a lot harder to drive fast because it's so much more free to rotate. You tend to slide more in the 5.0 and that makes it really difficult for an inexperienced driver to get it to go around a track quickly.

IMO if you put a total newb out on track in a Z and a Brembo 5.0, he'd probably be quicker early on with the Z because it's (based on my experience) much easier to drive at the limit. But a more experienced driver will be able to hustle the Mustang around the track a lot quicker.

Whatever, though. To each his own. If I could afford to do it right now I'd still have my 370Z and my 5.0 in the driveway.

Edit: And if I could really afford it I'd also have a drop top 5.0 and 370Z Roadster.

hey M4, did you have any links where the gt beats a 370Z anywhere besides lightning lap?? if not, no worries...i looked and couldnt find anything...just needed some morning readin'

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by GZ3

hey M4, did you have any links where the gt beats a 370Z anywhere besides lightning lap?? if not, no worries...i looked and couldnt find anything...just needed some morning readin'

You can check the 5.0 vs. M3 at Willow video where they are dead even. Otherwise there really aren't any direct comparos between the Z and 5.0 that I know of.

[Endgame]

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

You can check the 5.0 vs. M3 at Willow video where they are dead even. Otherwise there really aren't any direct comparos between the Z and 5.0 that I know of.

There is actually... I just cannot remember who did it and I do not remember any vids of the comparo. They said they would rather have the 5.0 day to day, but the Z on the track as it was more fun..

They did acknowledge the Stang was faster however..

[m4a1mustang]

Originally Posted by Endgame

There is actually... I just cannot remember who did it and I do not remember any vids of the comparo. They said they would rather have the 5.0 day to day, but the Z on the track as it was more fun..

They did acknowledge the Stang was faster however..

I think I remember the one you were talking about. No video, just a magazine article.

Funny thing is I think the Z's ride is a little more comfortable. It's not as stiff as the Brembo GT. The regular GT is probably pretty soft, though.