Has VDC made you a worse Z driver?

nismolife · 08-17-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow2k

Of course you have unlearned certain things when you don't use those skills every day. Just like you would with anything else.

For example, take SRM. If you constantly heel and toe and leave SRM off, you're going to get very good a h&t shifting. If you leave SRM on for a month, and then turn it off one day, you'll have to get used to driving with it off again. You lose the muscle memory, the familiarity...the feel for doing it on your own.

VDC on vs VDC off is almost like two different cars. Constantly driving with it on, and then turning it off one day is like stepping into a new car you're unfamiliar with. What makes it dangerous is that you think you know the car, but you've completely altered a major part of how it handles. My opinion is that this is exactly why people keep crashing with VDC off.

VDC off, by itself, is not dangerous. The false sense of security it has given people is why it is. You've been driving a fairly high hp RWD car around that handles like a dream. Well, sorry, but turning VDC off brings you back to reality...the reality that RWD sports cars don't really drive themselves. You have to be respectful of their power, and know how to handle them.

Great point Shadow - now add some wet pavement and you get a big surprise. So if you turn off vdc, then carefully learn your "new" car, and drive like you have an egg between your foot & gas pedal!

KusoSama · 08-17-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

I turn it off first thing when i get in my car.

There's a fuse... Remove it and it's always off.

Nitex · 08-17-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KusoSama

There's a fuse... Remove it and it's always off.

I thought i read something about that. Ill do some quick research, figure out location. Thanks for the tip.

nismolife · 08-17-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

I thought i read something about that. Ill do some quick research, figure out location. Thanks for the tip.

Look under the ebrake I think...

Nitex · 08-17-2010, 02:13 PM

Hey Nismo thanks for the reply. Do you work at Boeing by chance? I saw a red nismo in the parking lot the other day.

nismolife · 08-17-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

Hey Nismo thanks for the reply. Do you work at Boeing by chance? I saw a red nismo in the parking lot the other day.

Nope, mine is Pearl White. Though I do live pretty close by, I have yet to see a Nismo 370 in the area...

Oh, and my Nismo has been parked at Special Interest Autobody for the last week while Geico gets their **** together!

Nitex · 08-17-2010, 03:27 PM

Ahh ok, just checking. Ive done work at special interest in the past. Im just trying to remember which car. I think it was when i crashed my stang. What happened to the Z?

nismolife · 08-17-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

Ahh ok, just checking. Ive done work at special interest in the past. Im just trying to remember which car. I think it was when i crashed my stang. What happened to the Z?

Weekend before last we had a bit of light rain - got turned around and hit a curb pretty hard. I got off pretty lucky as it was all fairly low speed. However, the passenger side airbags fired, so thats gonna cost...

Here's a couple pics:

Note the odd angle the rear wheel has...you can see what bent in the next pic

ChrisSlicks · 08-17-2010, 05:07 PM

Ouch, those links used to be straight. Actually the camber arm (the black one) is designed with a kink in it so that it will give in the case of a crash.

LunaZ · 08-17-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

I can't believe this silly thread still exists.

I tried to derail the thread and send it on its way to a padlock by introducing Miata doors, but people actually wanted to talk about this.

Zsteve · 08-17-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nismolife

Weekend before last we had a bit of light rain - got turned around and hit a curb pretty hard. I got off pretty lucky as it was all fairly low speed. However, the passenger side airbags fired, so thats gonna cost...

Here's a couple pics:

Note the odd angle the rear wheel has...you can see what bent in the next pic

VDC off?

use your ins.

08-17-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

i wonder why o why when i saw the question about vdc i had a gut feeling that someone turned vdc off and then crashed his car?

haha yep! I NEVER have any issue on/off. My Z has NEVER come out on me regardless of the conditions. Yes that includes TRYING to lose it in snow.

cmancha003 · 08-17-2010, 08:57 PM

I am just curious about why this has come about. I am guessing a number of members had 300zx tts and those didnt have traction control or anything. When I first bought mine, I was scared to death of it. I quickly learned the limits and never had a problem with it. All the cars I have owned have not had traction control or anything similar. I do plan on possible buying a 370z and will keep VDC on most of the time. I am just afraid that I won't respect the power near as much as my 450 hp 300zx because of VDC.

chuckd05 · 08-17-2010, 09:19 PM

pretty sure most vipers dont have traction control... these Z drivers better not graduate to vipers because they'd be in serious trouble

butdamnbrian · 08-17-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

haha yep! I NEVER have any issue on/off. My Z has NEVER come out on me regardless of the conditions. Yes that includes TRYING to lose it in snow.

you weren't able to get sideways even in the snow?

08-17-2010, 02:13 PM	#110 (permalink)
Nitex Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 848 Drives: '13 GTI Stage 2 UNI Rep Power: 18	Hey Nismo thanks for the reply. Do you work at Boeing by chance? I saw a red nismo in the parking lot the other day. __________________ 2013 Drivers ED GTI \| Stage 2 Unitronic

08-17-2010, 03:27 PM	#112 (permalink)
Nitex Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Seattle Posts: 848 Drives: '13 GTI Stage 2 UNI Rep Power: 18	Ahh ok, just checking. Ive done work at special interest in the past. Im just trying to remember which car. I think it was when i crashed my stang. What happened to the Z? __________________ 2013 Drivers ED GTI \| Stage 2 Unitronic

08-17-2010, 05:07 PM	#114 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 655	Ouch, those links used to be straight. Actually the camber arm (the black one) is designed with a kink in it so that it will give in the case of a crash. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

08-17-2010, 09:19 PM	#119 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 21	pretty sure most vipers dont have traction control... these Z drivers better not graduate to vipers because they'd be in serious trouble __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

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08-17-2010, 08:57 PM	#118 (permalink)
cmancha003 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 60 Drives: 2010 370z Nismo #390 Rep Power: 18	I am just curious about why this has come about. I am guessing a number of members had 300zx tts and those didnt have traction control or anything. When I first bought mine, I was scared to death of it. I quickly learned the limits and never had a problem with it. All the cars I have owned have not had traction control or anything similar. I do plan on possible buying a 370z and will keep VDC on most of the time. I am just afraid that I won't respect the power near as much as my 450 hp 300zx because of VDC.