Does Anyone get pulled over because of aftermarket CBE???

steveg78 · 05-24-2010, 07:44 PM

Wow, I would have said "Are you done? Because I have to get to the shop to have my NOS and roll cage installed." I'm not a wise *** with cops but this guy obviously has a hard-on against stereotypical "ricers". He's classifying you as one, and you sound like a younger kid (no offense if you're not). I went through the same **** back in the day with my 300ZX. Cops can bully you around when you're young and don't know your rights. I would just tell him if he writes you a ticket that you will make a fool of him when you take him to trial and question him about his belief on aftermarket parts and the law... He will look like an incompetent bozo in front of the judge and entire court. That's pure BS.

Keep it cool in that neighborhood because you're marked now. And any visible and audible mods you do now will only bring more of the same nonsense.

Lemers · 05-24-2010, 08:00 PM

He didn't write the ticket because he knew he was wrong. He was fishing for a bigger bust.

I do believe in some areas cops will write shaddy tickets, betting that you don't have the time to go to court twice just to fight them.

steveg78 · 05-24-2010, 08:10 PM

I agree Lemers. But I'm a stubborn bastard and I'll go to court when I know I'm right!

Lemers · 05-24-2010, 11:32 PM

It does not matter what state you are in the Constitution garuntees certain rights one is the pursumption of innocence or "innocent until proven guilty". Even if the cop writes a ticket he has to site which law he believes you broke. You then you go and plead. This is your choice not the states. If you plead not guilty than it may go to trial if the judge feels tha the state has enough evidence connecting you to a crime (speeding case it's varified by radar usually).

Also a law outlawing "aftermarket" parts or "modifying" a car is hard to write. It is a modification to the car if I use a different oil filter or brake pads than the OEM. That's why states don't outlaw "aftermarket" items. Doing so would put autozone and pepboys out of buisness and force car buyers into monoplized car maintenance through Nissan dealers.

No what states do is enforce certain legal standards. Like emissions, noise, ride high, even brightness of headlights and taillights. If you get a ticket for "noise" most likely the cop has been trained on hearing the exhaust from a certain distance. And that will be his testimony. You get a chance to dispute his testimony with what ever evidence you have. The best would be proof that it isn't louder than legal limits or it could be that see just saw an "aftermarket" exhaust and was picking on you. The verdict will condown to "reasonable doubt".

Again you seem pretty certain that "most states" outlaw aftermarket parts. I just ask you to show me one.

PapoZalsa · 05-25-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Again you seem pretty certain that "most states" outlaw aftermarket parts. I just ask you to show me one.

Again every state has different laws plus you also have local codes. However you want to make a big issue with me about this.

I know some of the laws of the state and local county I'm currently living in, if not I will research.

You can check your own laws or requirements in your current state!

But I also agree that the cops can be a$$holes and prejudice with some cars when it comes to aftermarket parts depending of the state or county they are in, take for example California.

280z/300zx · 05-25-2010, 11:31 AM

Is the FI exhaust 50 state legal? Being that they operate out of Ca did they get CARB approval for the exhaust?

spearfish25 · 05-25-2010, 05:05 AM

JB1 was pulled over and ticketed for a Berk CBE and HFCs. His mistake is that when the cop asked "is this exhaust stock?" he said "no".

JB1 · 05-25-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

JB1 was pulled over and ticketed for a Berk CBE and HFCs. His mistake is that when the cop asked "is this exhaust stock?" he said "no".

Yep, got a ticket for Loud exhaust. I was dumb enough to admit I had an aftermarket exhaust when the cop asked about it.

Turning onto a wide street, I accelerated hard in first and second gear but slowed down immediately not to speed and coasted along in 4th. Cop heard me accelerate from a few blocks away and pulled me over, he looked frustrated that he couldn't get me for speeding so gave me a ticket for the loud exhaust.

Law in Illinois doesn't say anything about decibels, but it does state your car cannot be louder then stock. So I guess this means after market exhausts are not illegal here as long as they are not louder then stock.

Ah well, time to tone it all down a bit, anybody want to buy some BERK HFC's? (Not getting rid of the CBE though)

AK370Z · 05-25-2010, 01:17 PM

https://njcourts.judiciary.state.nj..../part1_b_c.pdf

It's illegal in NJ and any cop can give you ticket if they feel your exhaust is too loud. I know many people received this ticket and I almost received one last week.

I think there's a fine line between "aftermarket exhaust" and "performance exhaust". When your dad's Honda Accord or your brothers Toyota Corolla exhaust craps out and you put on a aftermarket exhaust (non OEM) from local muffler shop, that's aftermarket exhaust. What we put on our cars are Performance exhaust. The main goal for performance exhaust is sound (making it loud) and performance. Just my

bumblez · 05-25-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JB1

Yep, got a ticket for Loud exhaust. I was dumb enough to admit I had an aftermarket exhaust when the cop asked about it.

Turning onto a wide street, I accelerated hard in first and second gear but slowed down immediately not to speed and coasted along in 4th. Cop heard me accelerate from a few blocks away and pulled me over, he looked frustrated that he couldn't get me for speeding so gave me a ticket for the loud exhaust.

Law in Illinois doesn't say anything about decibels, but it does state your car cannot be louder then stock. So I guess this means after market exhausts are not illegal here as long as they are not louder then stock.

Ah well, time to tone it all down a bit, anybody want to buy some BERK HFC's? (Not getting rid of the CBE though)

sorry to hear that...
so you gonna put stock for a while and put them back in future?

KillerBee370 · 05-25-2010, 03:06 PM

To answer your question... nope.

However here in California they can and often do give what's known as a "ref" ticket (usually to riced out el cheapo Honda's). It's basically an ankle grabbing session where the cop gives you a ticket for various "mods" on your vehicle earning you a trip to the state referee to have a visual and usually a smog inspection done to get the ticket signed off. This means putting all the stock parts back onto your ride in order for it to pass this b*llsh*t revenue collecting inspection.

For our cars (the 370z) being at it's pricepoint, we probably will not get hassled at this stage of the game like some '89 Honda will complete with fart canon attached. The loud exhaust is simply the "reason" for the stop which then becomes their "probable cause" for the next step which is "pop the hood" so that they can (with their discerning eye... pshhh) point out all the "illegal" mods that you will be cited for. The truth is, they most likely don't have a clue as to what's what under the hood but anything shiny will get you written up which is why so many people choose the route of "stealth" when it comes to mods, ie., flat black painted parts etc. to look more stock and less bling.

You can (and in my opinion should) never agree to pop the hood (which is a warantless search) however, depending on the cop, you may have to take a trip to get your car out of impound but usually it's just a bluffing game on their part at this point which goes something like this... cop: "okay we'll just call the tow truck then..." Wait a while and see if you cave. If not, they will not hassle with it. But that could go either way.

Obviously in NO CIRCUMSTANCE do you EVER admit to having anything whatsoever on your vehicle that is not 100% stock from the factory.

ChrisSlicks · 05-25-2010, 09:21 PM

In MA after market exhaust is perfectly legal in of itself. However they passed a new law last year that states that any installed exhaust can not be louder than stock. Ah ... who exactly has this information and who did they give it to? I know a guy that was failed on their annual safety inspection because the inspector said the car was too loud ... yet the car was stock.

Stock quiet on a Toyota Camry is a bit different than stock quiet on a Z06 Corvette.

JB1 · 05-25-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bumblez

so you gonna put stock for a while and put them back in future?

No, I'll change back to stock cats and leave it at that. The CBE/HFC is s bit too loud for me anyway. I have interior panels rattling when accelerating hard. That's a bit much. So the Berk CBE with stock cats will be just right for me I think. Besides that, I want to do some autocross and I think HFC's are not allowed in stock class so another reason to change back to stock.

fullmonty · 05-25-2010, 05:52 AM

As others have said I think that cop was fckin' with you. Was he in a marked car because hes actions sound almost as immature as if a wana-be fake cop pulled you over for the powertrip. I wouldn't be concered in the future about getting pulled over just for your exhaust, unless you put something really nuts on.

FuszNissan · 05-25-2010, 12:16 PM

Not because of your beer pong skillzzz

05-24-2010, 07:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
steveg78 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MD Posts: 569 Drives: 09 370Z PG M6 +Sport Rep Power: 19	Wow, I would have said "Are you done? Because I have to get to the shop to have my NOS and roll cage installed." I'm not a wise * with cops but this guy obviously has a hard-on against stereotypical "ricers". He's classifying you as one, and you sound like a younger kid (no offense if you're not). I went through the same ** back in the day with my 300ZX. Cops can bully you around when you're young and don't know your rights. I would just tell him if he writes you a ticket that you will make a fool of him when you take him to trial and question him about his belief on aftermarket parts and the law... He will look like an incompetent bozo in front of the judge and entire court. That's pure BS. Keep it cool in that neighborhood because you're marked now. And any visible and audible mods you do now will only bring more of the same nonsense. Last edited by steveg78; 05-24-2010 at 07:46 PM.

05-24-2010, 08:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 54	He didn't write the ticket because he knew he was wrong. He was fishing for a bigger bust. I do believe in some areas cops will write shaddy tickets, betting that you don't have the time to go to court twice just to fight them. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

05-24-2010, 11:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 54	It does not matter what state you are in the Constitution garuntees certain rights one is the pursumption of innocence or "innocent until proven guilty". Even if the cop writes a ticket he has to site which law he believes you broke. You then you go and plead. This is your choice not the states. If you plead not guilty than it may go to trial if the judge feels tha the state has enough evidence connecting you to a crime (speeding case it's varified by radar usually). Also a law outlawing "aftermarket" parts or "modifying" a car is hard to write. It is a modification to the car if I use a different oil filter or brake pads than the OEM. That's why states don't outlaw "aftermarket" items. Doing so would put autozone and pepboys out of buisness and force car buyers into monoplized car maintenance through Nissan dealers. No what states do is enforce certain legal standards. Like emissions, noise, ride high, even brightness of headlights and taillights. If you get a ticket for "noise" most likely the cop has been trained on hearing the exhaust from a certain distance. And that will be his testimony. You get a chance to dispute his testimony with what ever evidence you have. The best would be proof that it isn't louder than legal limits or it could be that see just saw an "aftermarket" exhaust and was picking on you. The verdict will condown to "reasonable doubt". Again you seem pretty certain that "most states" outlaw aftermarket parts. I just ask you to show me one. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

05-25-2010, 05:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1858	JB1 was pulled over and ticketed for a Berk CBE and HFCs. His mistake is that when the cop asked "is this exhaust stock?" he said "no". __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

05-25-2010, 01:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
AK370Z Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 9,931 Drives: 09 370Z MB Sports M6 Rep Power: 10	https://njcourts.judiciary.state.nj..../part1_b_c.pdf It's illegal in NJ and any cop can give you ticket if they feel your exhaust is too loud. I know many people received this ticket and I almost received one last week. I think there's a fine line between "aftermarket exhaust" and "performance exhaust". When your dad's Honda Accord or your brothers Toyota Corolla exhaust craps out and you put on a aftermarket exhaust (non OEM) from local muffler shop, that's aftermarket exhaust. What we put on our cars are Performance exhaust. The main goal for performance exhaust is sound (making it loud) and performance. Just my __________________ The370Z Signature Pictures ll Want to rock our forum decals on your car? Then click here! ll How to Embed YouTube Videos In a Post STOP! (Hammertime) ll Become a Premium Member Click HERE ll F.A.Q. Are You a Nissan Dealer? Click Here to Become A "Supporting Dealer" and Start Listing Your 370Zs In Our Inventory Section My Monterey Blue Z ll My Exhaust --> My Intake --> G3 Nissan's Official Response Regarding Oil Temp Issue: CLICK HERE Need a Set of Cheap Winter wheels /Tires? Then Visit The Banner Link Below and Place Your Order. You'll Help Keep The370Z Alive.

05-24-2010, 08:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
steveg78 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MD Posts: 569 Drives: 09 370Z PG M6 +Sport Rep Power: 19	I agree Lemers. But I'm a stubborn bastard and I'll go to court when I know I'm right!

05-25-2010, 11:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
280z/300zx Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 689 Drives: 280z, 300zx, Vette Rep Power: 274	Is the FI exhaust 50 state legal? Being that they operate out of Ca did they get CARB approval for the exhaust?

05-25-2010, 03:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 53 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 323	To answer your question... nope. However here in California they can and often do give what's known as a "ref" ticket (usually to riced out el cheapo Honda's). It's basically an ankle grabbing session where the cop gives you a ticket for various "mods" on your vehicle earning you a trip to the state referee to have a visual and usually a smog inspection done to get the ticket signed off. This means putting all the stock parts back onto your ride in order for it to pass this bllsht revenue collecting inspection. For our cars (the 370z) being at it's pricepoint, we probably will not get hassled at this stage of the game like some '89 Honda will complete with fart canon attached. The loud exhaust is simply the "reason" for the stop which then becomes their "probable cause" for the next step which is "pop the hood" so that they can (with their discerning eye... pshhh) point out all the "illegal" mods that you will be cited for. The truth is, they most likely don't have a clue as to what's what under the hood but anything shiny will get you written up which is why so many people choose the route of "stealth" when it comes to mods, ie., flat black painted parts etc. to look more stock and less bling. You can (and in my opinion should) never agree to pop the hood (which is a warantless search) however, depending on the cop, you may have to take a trip to get your car out of impound but usually it's just a bluffing game on their part at this point which goes something like this... cop: "okay we'll just call the tow truck then..." Wait a while and see if you cave. If not, they will not hassle with it. But that could go either way. Obviously in NO CIRCUMSTANCE do you EVER admit to having anything whatsoever on your vehicle that is not 100% stock from the factory.

05-25-2010, 09:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 655	In MA after market exhaust is perfectly legal in of itself. However they passed a new law last year that states that any installed exhaust can not be louder than stock. Ah ... who exactly has this information and who did they give it to? I know a guy that was failed on their annual safety inspection because the inspector said the car was too loud ... yet the car was stock. Stock quiet on a Toyota Camry is a bit different than stock quiet on a Z06 Corvette. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

05-25-2010, 05:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
fullmonty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 7,762 Drives: 370 Touring/Sport Rep Power: 35	As others have said I think that cop was fckin' with you. Was he in a marked car because hes actions sound almost as immature as if a wana-be fake cop pulled you over for the powertrip. I wouldn't be concered in the future about getting pulled over just for your exhaust, unless you put something really nuts on. __________________

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