Comparison the z to a vette

ImportConvert · 08-25-2010, 01:31 AM

I don't own a Z or a 'vette, but my former roommate owned a 2004 C5.

It had a few quirks. It was quick--about like the WS6 I used to own--which was a total pile.

I rode in his 'vette on occasion. It was decent. Had a sqeak here and there.

I traded my 2001 WS6 for a 2002 G20. I used to be completely in the domestic camp, having owned mustangs and F-bodies and the like. Well I got this little 2002 Infiniti G20, and it had a few issues. MOtor-mounts, etc. With 100K miles I expected it.

It had one electrical issue--ignition component, $50 and 20 minutes of my time to replace.

It had maintenance issues--valve-cover gasket (likes to go out on those cars), cabin filtration system (IT HAS ONE! WOW!), etc. etc. Just tiny things.

One thing I noticed though was how solid it is. How well designed it is. Those metal lines under the hood are coated with something to prevent rust. Etc. etc. It's not so much how it was put togather, it is that it is designed with the thought that it should look and feel and run well AFTER it leaves the lot, not just for 1-3 months sitting up and a test-drive.

A perfect example is the 370 'vert I rode in tonight. WE took it over hella rough roads. BAD stuff. I cringed. It didn't even waver. No creak AT ALL. No cowl shake. Nothing. Performed about like my Trans Am did in the acceleration department. The refinement was amazing. Car had about 10K miles on it alread, and the owner dogged the hell out of it regularly he said.

No, it's not all-out as fast as some of the cars I have been in and played with, but it was definitely peppy, the interior was VERY VERY NICE, and it felt IDENTICAL to the one I drove with 5-10 miles or whatever at a dealer a while back.

It is a different car than the 'vette. I am torn between which to buy, myself--a car no faster than what I used to drive, but inifitely nicer, or a car that is about the same, but hella fast. Decisions--they suck. Different cars, though. I would much rather take a girl out in the Z than in a 'Vette, though, as far as comfort and having a good time (regardless of image, etc. I think the girl would ask "What was that creaking?" A lot less).

Zsteve · 08-25-2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I don't own a Z or a 'vette, but my former roommate owned a 2004 C5.

It had a few quirks. It was quick--about like the WS6 I used to own--which was a total pile.

I rode in his 'vette on occasion. It was decent. Had a sqeak here and there.

I traded my 2001 WS6 for a 2002 G20. I used to be completely in the domestic camp, having owned mustangs and F-bodies and the like. Well I got this little 2002 Infiniti G20, and it had a few issues. MOtor-mounts, etc. With 100K miles I expected it.

It had one electrical issue--ignition component, $50 and 20 minutes of my time to replace.

It had maintenance issues--valve-cover gasket (likes to go out on those cars), cabin filtration system (IT HAS ONE! WOW!), etc. etc. Just tiny things.

One thing I noticed though was how solid it is. How well designed it is. Those metal lines under the hood are coated with something to prevent rust. Etc. etc. It's not so much how it was put togather, it is that it is designed with the thought that it should look and feel and run well AFTER it leaves the lot, not just for 1-3 months sitting up and a test-drive.

A perfect example is the 370 'vert I rode in tonight. WE took it over hella rough roads. BAD stuff. I cringed. It didn't even waver. No creak AT ALL. No cowl shake. Nothing. Performed about like my Trans Am did in the acceleration department. The refinement was amazing. Car had about 10K miles on it alread, and the owner dogged the hell out of it regularly he said.

No, it's not all-out as fast as some of the cars I have been in and played with, but it was definitely peppy, the interior was VERY VERY NICE, and it felt IDENTICAL to the one I drove with 5-10 miles or whatever at a dealer a while back.

It is a different car than the 'vette. I am torn between which to buy, myself--a car no faster than what I used to drive, but inifitely nicer, or a car that is about the same, but hella fast. Decisions--they suck. Different cars, though. I would much rather take a girl out in the Z than in a 'Vette, though, as far as comfort and having a good time (regardless of image, etc. I think the girl would ask "What was that creaking?" A lot less).

Now you do realize you are comparing a 2010 car to 2001 and 2002 cars? So the new 2010 2011vette is way better than the 2004 one in all areas so you probably need to ride in one now to get a good comparison. Most cars come a long way from models from 5 years ago or more.

ImportConvert · 08-25-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Now you do realize you are comparing a 2010 car to 2001 and 2002 cars? So the new 2010 2011vette is way better than the 2004 one in all areas so you probably need to ride in one now to get a good comparison. Most cars come a long way from models from 5 years ago or more.

Been there, done that. Rode in a friend's '08 Vert C6. It was fast, yes, but it had noticable cowl-shake and there were at least 2 different "creaks" I could hear, and this going over MUCH BETTER! pavement than we took the Z on last night. The C6 had 8,XXX miles, was a show-car/garage-queen (hence why I couldn't drive it, his insurance forbid it).

My friend's C5 felt a bit more solid if I recall.

The LS3 definitely has more juevos than the Z, but in every other department the C6 failed to impress me.

I am stuck. Do I want a fast car, or do I want a well-made car? Honestly? I want both--for under/equal 60K MSRP. I don't think it can happen.

Zsteve · 08-25-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Been there, done that. Rode in a friend's '08 Vert C6. It was fast, yes, but it had noticable cowl-shake and there were at least 2 different "creaks" I could hear, and this going over MUCH BETTER! pavement than we took the Z on last night. The C6 had 8,XXX miles, was a show-car/garage-queen (hence why I couldn't drive it, his insurance forbid it).

My friend's C5 felt a bit more solid if I recall.

The LS3 definitely has more juevos than the Z, but in every other department the C6 failed to impress me.

I am stuck. Do I want a fast car, or do I want a well-made car? Honestly? I want both--for under/equal 60K MSRP. I don't think it can happen.

Audi S5

ImportConvert · 08-25-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Audi S5

Looks nice, but the automatic transmission and pathetic V8 nix it. I didn't know they even made V8's with less than 400bhp anymore.

Zsteve · 08-25-2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Looks nice, but the automatic transmission and pathetic V8 nix it. I didn't know they even made V8's with less than 400bhp anymore.

sounds like you might have limited options then, got to give on the power to get on the lux if you want to stay under 60K. The S5 isnt a power house but it is fairly fast for a car of its nature (lux). 0 60 in 4.9 isnt bad for a lux car that is high quality. Maybe a BMW then like the Z4M (not sure if its under 60K but should be).

ImportConvert · 08-25-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

sounds like you might have limited options then, got to give on the power to get on the lux if you want to stay under 60K. The S5 isnt a power house but it is fairly fast for a car of its nature (lux). 0 60 in 4.9 isnt bad for a lux car that is high quality. Maybe a BMW then like the Z4M (not sure if its under 60K but should be).

370Z is better in every way compared to the Z4M. The M3 is nice, but to get the decent options is $$$$$$$$$$$. I am liking the 370Z. I could buy a Z06 or something, but they just feel so ragged, and in a few years I can't imagine it would improve. You get used to speed, no-matter what you drive, but nagging things like rattles and cracked door-panels grate constantly. At least, for me.

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7628	I don't own a Z or a 'vette, but my former roommate owned a 2004 C5. It had a few quirks. It was quick--about like the WS6 I used to own--which was a total pile. I rode in his 'vette on occasion. It was decent. Had a sqeak here and there. I traded my 2001 WS6 for a 2002 G20. I used to be completely in the domestic camp, having owned mustangs and F-bodies and the like. Well I got this little 2002 Infiniti G20, and it had a few issues. MOtor-mounts, etc. With 100K miles I expected it. It had one electrical issue--ignition component, $50 and 20 minutes of my time to replace. It had maintenance issues--valve-cover gasket (likes to go out on those cars), cabin filtration system (IT HAS ONE! WOW!), etc. etc. Just tiny things. One thing I noticed though was how solid it is. How well designed it is. Those metal lines under the hood are coated with something to prevent rust. Etc. etc. It's not so much how it was put togather, it is that it is designed with the thought that it should look and feel and run well AFTER it leaves the lot, not just for 1-3 months sitting up and a test-drive. A perfect example is the 370 'vert I rode in tonight. WE took it over hella rough roads. BAD stuff. I cringed. It didn't even waver. No creak AT ALL. No cowl shake. Nothing. Performed about like my Trans Am did in the acceleration department. The refinement was amazing. Car had about 10K miles on it alread, and the owner dogged the hell out of it regularly he said. No, it's not all-out as fast as some of the cars I have been in and played with, but it was definitely peppy, the interior was VERY VERY NICE, and it felt IDENTICAL to the one I drove with 5-10 miles or whatever at a dealer a while back. It is a different car than the 'vette. I am torn between which to buy, myself--a car no faster than what I used to drive, but inifitely nicer, or a car that is about the same, but hella fast. Decisions--they suck. Different cars, though. I would much rather take a girl out in the Z than in a 'Vette, though, as far as comfort and having a good time (regardless of image, etc. I think the girl would ask "What was that creaking?" A lot less).