Question on trade back my auto Z to a manual

370Zsteve · 05-14-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The extra gear over the 6MT generates more downforce, therefore it is faster in the corners as well.

Oh noes!

zZSoCalZz · 05-19-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The extra gear over the 6MT generates more downforce, therefore it is faster in the corners as well.

Wow... I did not know that. Need to remove x_x out of my "what I drive" section. lol

FuszNissan · 05-13-2010, 08:53 AM

You will take at least a 4k hit. And that is probably on the lighter side.

NYBladeZ · 05-13-2010, 09:04 AM

Keep the 7AT, but those of you who think the auto is better are crazy. Sports cars other than exotic supercars who have stopped giving you a choice, should never be in auto. When you drive a manual you're always in control, whether its on the backroads or in rush hour. I would never have an AT in my sports car, takes all the fun out of it.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-13-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

Keep the 7AT, but those of you who think the auto is better are crazy. Sports cars other than exotic supercars who have stopped giving you a choice, should never be in auto. When you drive a manual you're always in control, whether its on the backroads or in rush hour. I would never have an AT in my sports car, takes all the fun out of it.

Obviously your comments come with no experience and you spend a lot of time on forums and just go with public opinion. There are a lot of reasons people choose manuals. But control has nothing to do with it. I have many years of using both trannies. The only thing you lose in a manual are good burnouts. Which cost u in wearing your tires down.

Nissan DRM automanual is the eptiome of slushboxes. You can engine brake, get split second shifts. (Faster than manual. And when you get enough practice. You can really surpass manual performance.
The only other advantage to manual is when modding, you cannot go past a certain horsepower without replacing the tranny. But like 95% of you, will never get passed 450rwhp so ur still good in a auto.
Paddle shifting makes things happen quicker. Engine braking is superior in the auto. (the most important control feature imho)
If you really want to feel true automanual performance. Try DCT on an M3, now going in the 135I. U say you would never do something without having any real experience. A 1 hour test drive does not let you know how capable this type of tranny is.

As far as exotics going auto. Who's gonna drive a manual @ 240mph. That's a tragedy waiting to happen. Again ignorance at its finest.

NYBladeZ · 05-13-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Obviously your comments come with no experience and you spend a lot of time on forums and just go with public opinion. There are a lot of reasons people choose manuals. But control has nothing to do with it. I have many years of using both trannies. The only thing you lose in a manual are good burnouts. Which cost u in wearing your tires down.

Nissan DRM automanual is the eptiome of slushboxes. You can engine brake, get split second shifts. (Faster than manual. And when you get enough practice. You can really surpass manual performance.
The only other advantage to manual is when modding, you cannot go past a certain horsepower without replacing the tranny. But like 95% of you, will never get passed 450rwhp so ur still good in a auto.
Paddle shifting makes things happen quicker. Engine braking is superior in the auto. (the most important control feature imho)
If you really want to feel true automanual performance. Try DCT on an M3, now going in the 135I. U say you would never do something without having any real experience. A 1 hour test drive does not let you know how capable this type of tranny is.

As far as exotics going auto. Who's gonna drive a manual @ 240mph. That's a tragedy waiting to happen. Again ignorance at its finest.

For the record I've tried the paddles in both the M5 and E92 M3. In the m5 even in M mode there is still a delay. Granted it is not that long, but the second I click the paddle I want the downshift immediately not .000923432 milliseconds later. If I can tell and feel the delay it fails. The E92 M3 has a great great box but you still feel detached. It takes all driver ability out of the race, 1/4 mile runs have been reduced to putting your foot down and pressing a paddle. If that's the case it's more about who spent more on their car since the car is doing all the work not you. Slushboxes offer consistency, you won't get any driver error. However, you lose the fun factor. If you are going to tell me that it's more fun to have a computer control your shifts and rpms you're crazy. You don't even have to heel/toe in a manual anymore now that SRM is available. Lastly, women drive auto's, if you meet a girl who drives stick you'll walk away impressed because you know she goes against the grain. We're not talking about Ferrari's, Lambo's or any other supercar we're talking about normal enthusiast cars. I guess it's best phrased as the guy who drives the paddle shift will be a bit faster but the guy behind him in the stick will have a lot more fun.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-13-2010, 09:07 AM

Ur gonna lose close to 6 grand. The Z ain't worth that much to me. Keeping the one you have = performance value. Trading = seriously overpaying.
Besides the auto spanks the manual. Some might find jerkin knobs fun. Lol. I rather leave that job to the women and use paddles. Lmao!

DjSquall · 05-13-2010, 09:50 AM

The other day I floored the z around a quick series of tight bends. 0-60k while fishtailing left and right. Both my wrists are sore from fighting the steering, and if I was in a manual and did the same thing, I wouldve lost control b/c of having to use my right hand to shift.

That is one major superiority of an auto tranny - it frees up your right hand for whatever you need it for. In some cases, to save your car. There are way too many advantages here, and trying to say that manual is better, in my opinion, is just being plain stuck up on retardedly old cumbersome technology.

370Zsteve · 05-14-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DjSquall

The other day I floored the z around a quick series of tight bends. 0-60k while fishtailing left and right. Both my wrists are sore from fighting the steering, and if I was in a manual and did the same thing, I wouldve lost control b/c of having to use my right hand to shift.

That is one major superiority of an auto tranny - it frees up your right hand for whatever you need it for. In some cases, to save your car. There are way too many advantages here, and trying to say that manual is better, in my opinion, is just being plain stuck up on retardedly old cumbersome technology.

A lot of amusing comments in this thread. How many times would you have shifted going through that "quick series of tight bends"? lmao

NYBladeZ · 05-13-2010, 09:57 AM

that's why they created the paddles for the women. Women are to busy applying makeup and talking on cell phones to deal with a stick shift. Btw the paddle shift is faster in a stock v. stock Z. That excludes a lot of people here, so in the long run it's more a matter of preference and ability than a performance advantage. Real guys drive stick, otherwise you'll just be making up reasons why you don't.

NYBladeZ · 05-13-2010, 10:12 AM

BTW as far as supercars and going extreme speeds in a manual. Do the names Ascari, ZR1, and Gumpert Apollo ring a bell? Last I checked if you asked for a Vette Z06 or Zr1 in auto they'd laugh at you. Btw how do you practice an auto, go out and see how quickly you can tap the paddle? It's ok I know the auto is an extra option and I know that you have to defend yourself, and it helps that it's consistently faster, but the diehards...we'll keep our 6 speeds, after all there's more to a sports car than pressing buttons.

PS-If you are going through twisties and find yourself having a rough time controlling the car you probably shouldn't be doing it and you can still have two hands on the wheel in a manual, I do it all the time.

DjSquall · 05-13-2010, 10:24 AM

If I didn't have a hard time controlling the car, I wouldn't be having any fun would I? I drove away shaking from the insane adrenaline rush! If I wanted an easy time, I'd floor it in a straight line.

Oh and if you keep both your hands on the steering wheel all the time as you say, how do you shift

NYBladeZ · 05-13-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DjSquall

Oh and if you keep both your hands on the steering wheel all the time as you say, how do you shift

You're kidding right?

DjSquall · 05-13-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

You're kidding right?

Of course I'm friggin' kidding!!!

As I've said before, we could sit here and argue all day. In the end, I'm still gonna drive home in my 7AT, you will drive home in your 6MT, and both of us are going to enjoy it.

edit: @jeffblue: not all of us are race car drivers, but I get your point.

Jeffblue · 05-13-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DjSquall

If I didn't have a hard time controlling the car, I wouldn't be having any fun would I? I drove away shaking from the insane adrenaline rush! If I wanted an easy time, I'd floor it in a straight line.

Oh and if you keep both your hands on the steering wheel all the time as you say, how do you shift

the idea is, you can shift quickly enough to not have your hand off the wheel for any significant amount of time. Unlike the automatic, you get to stay in one gear for as long as you need, as opposed to the car deciding you should shift..... like: NOW... ok NOW again... ok i think you might be on a hill, let me downshift for you... oh wait, that hill was shorter than i thought... i'll go back to the higher gear." - Your transmission

you should watch some videos of actual race car drivers driving their cars. you'll see that its only a split second of removing their hand from the wheel.

nothing wrong with people wanting one transmission over the other, its all opinion. however, some of these anti manual transmission arguments are pretty ridiculous, and make it quite evident that the person has NO idea whats at play in a manual transmission, so they clearly could not have made an informed decision about which one they purchased. (this is not a dig at those who drive automatics, just those who have these absurd reasons for why they think manuals are more dangerous, slow, stupid, pointless, etc)

05-13-2010, 08:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 543	You will take at least a 4k hit. And that is probably on the lighter side. __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

05-13-2010, 09:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	Keep the 7AT, but those of you who think the auto is better are crazy. Sports cars other than exotic supercars who have stopped giving you a choice, should never be in auto. When you drive a manual you're always in control, whether its on the backroads or in rush hour. I would never have an AT in my sports car, takes all the fun out of it. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

05-13-2010, 09:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	that's why they created the paddles for the women. Women are to busy applying makeup and talking on cell phones to deal with a stick shift. Btw the paddle shift is faster in a stock v. stock Z. That excludes a lot of people here, so in the long run it's more a matter of preference and ability than a performance advantage. Real guys drive stick, otherwise you'll just be making up reasons why you don't. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

05-13-2010, 10:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 21	BTW as far as supercars and going extreme speeds in a manual. Do the names Ascari, ZR1, and Gumpert Apollo ring a bell? Last I checked if you asked for a Vette Z06 or Zr1 in auto they'd laugh at you. Btw how do you practice an auto, go out and see how quickly you can tap the paddle? It's ok I know the auto is an extra option and I know that you have to defend yourself, and it helps that it's consistently faster, but the diehards...we'll keep our 6 speeds, after all there's more to a sports car than pressing buttons. PS-If you are going through twisties and find yourself having a rough time controlling the car you probably shouldn't be doing it and you can still have two hands on the wheel in a manual, I do it all the time. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Ur gonna lose close to 6 grand. The Z ain't worth that much to me. Keeping the one you have = performance value. Trading = seriously overpaying. Besides the auto spanks the manual. Some might find jerkin knobs fun. Lol. I rather leave that job to the women and use paddles. Lmao!

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DjSquall A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tottenham, ON Age: 37 Posts: 1,340 Drives: My first car Rep Power: 23	The other day I floored the z around a quick series of tight bends. 0-60k while fishtailing left and right. Both my wrists are sore from fighting the steering, and if I was in a manual and did the same thing, I wouldve lost control b/c of having to use my right hand to shift. That is one major superiority of an auto tranny - it frees up your right hand for whatever you need it for. In some cases, to save your car. There are way too many advantages here, and trying to say that manual is better, in my opinion, is just being plain stuck up on retardedly old cumbersome technology.

05-13-2010, 10:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
DjSquall A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tottenham, ON Age: 37 Posts: 1,340 Drives: My first car Rep Power: 23	If I didn't have a hard time controlling the car, I wouldn't be having any fun would I? I drove away shaking from the insane adrenaline rush! If I wanted an easy time, I'd floor it in a straight line. Oh and if you keep both your hands on the steering wheel all the time as you say, how do you shift