Our Z vs New Mustang 5.0
 

Well guys I love my car but I have to admit I am a little taken back by the new Mustang with the new 5.0 412hp engine. Anyone else having the thoughts of a trade?

There are more than enough threads on this... I suggest you look at the Mustang 5.0 thread. None of us are planning on it but a few are curious to see what its like.

So the question is, if Nissan drops the new 5.6 V8 into the Z would anyone buy it? Not that it will happen cause of weight distribution, getting too close to hp of the GTR, etc.

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If they did I would trade my 370 in a heartbeat. A 370Z with a nice V8 would be the perfect car, IMO.

I would buy that in a heartbeat.

I would think that the new one will be about as fast as the 427? SC stang.

Damn it Nissan, please put a V8 into the Z. Forget the environmentally friendly leaf crap and give us some displacement. I realized why I sold my 370Z, 1.) I am getting older and lazier so I should have bought an automatic, instead of the 6 spd and

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2.) I missed the 5.7liter V8 from my Tundra single cab. I miss that truck.

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Current ride: 2010 GTI, DSG w/ APR Stage1 - 254hp, 297lb-ft Tq

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Been debating a GTR because I don't have to shift :D but $72K for a 2010 seems pricey for a daily commuter. :D :D

ahh... you are complaining about not having a v8 and you now have wimpy fwd GTI. I am sorry man, you fail.

Just go FI

The performance on the 370z is good enough for me, but the main factor is the exclusivity and the fact that I find the visual look of the 370z to be far superior to the Mustang. So the Mustang could have 1,000hp and it would still be a Mustang that you will probably see 20 of on the way to work in a couple years. I'll pass.

Would never trade for the stang. The new stang is a crazy car but check the stats. The 0-60 is about the same, and its only a little faster in the 1/4. Dont think I need to tell you guys this but there is no comparison with the handeling. Lets c that stang with its big solid rear pull almost .99g on the skid pad. I love my Z thats not here yet lol.

Uh, Ok. :rolleyes:

I don't know how this is a fail, considering the GTI with APR flash has more usable torque than the Z and for my daily driving needs, torque is actually more important than hp. :rolleyes:

Plus, the whole point of a V8 over V6 is not having to redline your vehicle to extract all the hp and torque.

So wishing that Nissan would offer the new M56 V8 in a Z while I own a GTI is fail?

By your logic then, I guess anyone who owns a 370Z and longs for a GTR, R8, or 911 Turbo would be epic fail since the 370Z is a "wimpy rwd".:rolleyes:

You remind me of fanboys who have to crap on anything that isn't a (insert your current fanboy ride).

The stang is pulling .94's, about the same as a 350Z. I say the stang has great acceleration and good handling and the Z has great handling and good acceleration. Nothing else comes close to these two in this price range. The real difference will probably be build quality down the road. If you want to keep your car for 10 years, I'd bet on the Z, if you trade it in every 4, it's a lot tougher decision. If how others look at you is important to you, the Z is the only choice.

No matter how you look at it, you went from a Z to a GTI....FAIL

Yea same as a 350. But from what I hear the 350 and the 370 are very very different. I love Jap cars so my choice is gonna be bias. But the Stang does one thing good straight line.

I love my Z but FO MO CO FTW

A .94 is very good and beat lots of really good handling cars like an S2000. It also slaloms at over 68 mph which doesn't quite match the 370Z, but it's definately very close. The mustang definately doesn't just do "one thing good straight line" anymore. You are thinking older mustangs. The 2010 even with the older 4.6L was far supierior to prevous stangs in all round handling and the 2011 is an improvement on that. I have doubts that the Z is gonna be able to keep up on any track larger than autocross parking lot tracks. It's gonna need a power boost soon.

Horsepower IS the calculation of TORQUE at a certain RPM. So in reality, horsepower numbers is what you really want to look at, how it's delivered, and how the gearing of the car puts the power to use. Gearing and horsepower curve is what you want to look at.

Also you mention you love motors that make lots of torque down low, yet you pick a front wheel drive car. I've owned high powered FWD cars and lots of low end torque in a wrong wheel drive car is MAJOR fail, traction issues, wheel hop, torque steer, a nightmare. A low flat torque curve in a motor that loves to rev for high rpm power is the way to go for FWD cars. That's why Honda > VW all day long when it comes to FWD performance (oxymoron) oriented cars.

My modded JB3 335i makes 400+ft lbs of torque at 2500rpm. Is it fast? HELL YES. Is it fun to drive like the Z? Not even close, I think sports cars should be revved out for power. Shoving a huge V8 that makes huge amounts of torque down low and runs out of steam right when you want to rev it out into a pure sports car like the Z is retarded. If anything, a low torque, short stroke high revving small displacement V8 (like 4.0L V8 in the E90/92 M3 would be amazing for the Z) It only makes 295ft lb of torque yet it revs to 8300 and is amazing.

As I started reading your post I was only gonna post 'Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races' but instead I'm going to agree with you in full

Yes :D

There's always going to be a "next best thing" that comes out soon after you buy any car.

Just enjoy what you have and stop thinking about everything as one big competition.

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito. ;)

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI :rolleyes: in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

wouldnt matter,i guarantee that our Z's would beat the mustang anyways

Aren't the Mustangs still using a solid rear axle? They spend so much money on developing all other aspects of the vehicle but stick to the solid rear axle for tradition purposes?

Too bad all those rumors of a GTR coupe for Infiniti never panned out.

Maybe a M56 coupe down the pipeline? It would be nice to have Infiniti have a full size V8 powered coupe to compete with the germans.

The new mustang wouldn't be too bad, if it wasn't so damn ugly. Might be one of the ugliest mustangs I've seen in my humble opinion. Can't argue with the performance though.

Some history for you....Ford tried the IRS in the 2003 Mustang Cobra Terminator. The half-axles kept snapping in two under the extreme torque produced. Consumers complained. Ford listened. So they went back to solid axle. It had absolutely nothing to do with tradition. It has evrything to do with the Musatng being an extreme torque monster.

I agree also.

Dont get me wrong the Stang is a great handeling car, but its still uses old technology like the solid rear. I cant believe they put a 6spd in it lol. Anyway I bet the Z would do just fine up against a Stang on the track. Look at the stats. Besides MotorTrend that got crazy high numbers some how 12.8 in the 1/4 the Stang is just about as fast as the Z.

A little more history......They put the 6sp in it because the consumer asked for it because many folks modify from 3.55's to 4.10's. Having 5 gears with 4.10's would cause straightliners to have to start in 2nd OR start in 1st and risk missing 2nd. With a 6sp it resolves that problem though 1st gear still gets sucked up almost immediately at the start.

I think that anyone who has owned 3 different cars in one year needs his head examined. Something wrong with you, man. I'm not gonna say GTI=Fail cuz it's a good car for a DD, better than a Z imo since a DD should be able to bring home loot from a monthly Costco trip.

True story: I had a 1990 300ZX. It came with 222 hp and 196 ft lbs of torque. I used to have fun with the Mustangs back in the day. I don't know if it was the driver or what, but most of the races weren't even close.

Now that we have the 3.7L, I'm not too worried. Drivers never change. :D

Let's not our fool ourselves. I love my Z and would never think to buy a Mustang. But the thing pulled a 4.3 0-60 in the latest Motor Trend and pulls .94 G on the skidpad. It's a beast and as mentioned earlier would take a stock 370 in any race that involves any sort of straight away.

This. The other thing is that the mustang matches the Z on braking with the Bremo package. This is really surprizing given it's weight. Track races are won at least as much on brakes as much as hp and handling and the stan delivers here as well. I'd still pick a Z over a stang, but it's certainly not because of performance capability, it's just likely a better built car with a better driver's experience. Know how some cars win in mag comparisons w/o winning in the numbers game? That's where the Stang puts the Z, kinda where the Z has always put a lot of other really expensive cars.

Me too, 1990 300ZX, that funky gold color that was cool at the time........ charcoal leather!

:tup: I had the Glacier White Pearl 2+2 with the twill cloth seats. Sadly, most of my pics are gone but I do have one of the car in a frame hanging in my son's bedroom. It's a reminder to him of how cool dad can be. :D

Ugggh...I'm concerned with handling more than straightline speed...zero interest in a mustang.

Should have waited for this car... :/

^ lmao

Buddy of mine has a 2009 Mustang. Similar power numbers as the 370z. Straight line we match for the most part. In the canyons, forget about it.
It also comes down to feel, I feel in touch with the Z, the soft ride and loose steering of the Mustang lessens the "sports car" experience. The always available torque is nice, but I like a high revving engine that responds to a quick downshift and awwaaaayy we go.