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waaaasabi 05-09-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua (Post 530293)
Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito. ;)

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI :rolleyes: in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

Actually, the point that I took away from your earlier posts, and probably what other people understood to be the gist of your argument is this:
You sold your Z and you also like displacement and torque. Then you purchased a GTI, which is a FWD car. There is a fundamental conflict between your interest in torque and your choice of vehicle, not because of the vehicle itself, but because of its transmission layout. That's where the fail lies. I'm just pointing it out; not trying to invoke any negative sentiments about your new car. :tiphat:

Also, I think you're incorrect in assuming that we are a bunch of brand fanboys. No one is bashing the GTI as a car. It's an awesome looking car. I've never personally driven one, but I know its abilities have been lauded by the platitudes of many a car magazine editor.

Zsteve 05-09-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi (Post 530508)
Actually, the point that I took away from your earlier posts, and probably what other people understood to be the gist of your argument is this:
You sold your Z and you also like displacement and torque. Then you purchased a GTI, which is a FWD car. There is a fundamental conflict between your interest in torque and your choice of vehicle, not because of the vehicle itself, but because of its transmission layout. That's where the fail lies. I'm just pointing it out; not trying to invoke any negative sentiments about your new car. :tiphat:

Also, I think you're incorrect in assuming that we are a bunch of brand fanboys. No one is bashing the GTI as a car. It's an awesome looking car. I've never personally driven one, but I know its abilities have been lauded by the platitudes of many a car magazine editor.

There is nothing wrong with tq and FWD, its really no difference than in a RWD. Enough tq makes both spin tires. A LSD will do wonders for both, the FWD will have less drivetrain loss than the RWD and after having basically the same engine in a 4 cyl car as the GTI I can say that I had 250+ hp and 300+ tq and the car was very quick. I did 5.5 sec 0 60s all day long. And when the turbo kicked in at 2500 rpms the tq was awesome to feel. It just lost its power in the upper rpms. And thats why I went to the Z for now. But I did love the MPG I got from my last car. Plus the car handled snow pretty good too.

SophiaZ 05-09-2010 12:03 PM

There's no chance you'd see me in a Mustang. I do, however, love the Mach-1's, but it's definitly not worth to trade in a Z. And why on EARTH do people always talk about hp? I don't know where yall are from but there is something called a "Speed Limit" in Jerzey. Not saying thats the only place to drive is on the streets, but I know I wouldn't be spending every day at the track just becuz I have a V8 Mustang..or car for that matter. The Z is enough of a car for me ;)

Sith 05-09-2010 12:03 PM

Power- isn't everything! 370Z is more of a quality machine and image.

Lug 05-09-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onekneedown (Post 530484)
Buddy of mine has a 2009 Mustang. Similar power numbers as the 370z. Straight line we match for the most part. In the canyons, forget about it.
It also comes down to feel, I feel in touch with the Z, the soft ride and loose steering of the Mustang lessens the "sports car" experience. The always available torque is nice, but I like a high revving engine that responds to a quick downshift and awwaaaayy we go.

You are comparing their old apple to your new orange. The 2009 pulled something like .87 on the skidpad, not anywhere near what the 2010 and 2011 models do. They did a massive improvement in the suspention for the 2010 model and tweeked it a bit further in the 2011.

Zsteve 05-09-2010 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 530555)
You are comparing their old apple to your new orange. The 2009 pulled something like .87 on the skidpad, not anywhere near what the 2010 and 2011 models do. They did a massive improvement in the suspention for the 2010 model and tweeked it a bit further in the 2011.

well if we mix apples and oranges and tomatoes and a few others we do get our V8!

Modshack 05-09-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kailua (Post 530293)
Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.


So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

Yeah...I agree completely. Honestly I'm intrigued by the new Mustang. With 8 Porsches in my past and a LS3 Corvette before the Z, I'm one of those guys that just may add one to my bucket list before I can't drive anymore....

And, yeah....I have a GTI too. A really cool driver BTW despite the fanboy sneers. a 2003 20th aniversary with 12K on her.....I just like cars, PERIOD...

http://images17.fotki.com/v522/photo...MG_2469-vi.jpg

m4a1mustang 05-09-2010 12:58 PM

Yes! Cars are my passion... I don't care what kind it is.

There are too many brand whores and status queens these days... so many people here think the Z is the king of the world forever and ever. Somehow this car that can be had for less than 30k is "exclusive." Yeah, right.

Zsteve 05-09-2010 01:01 PM

lets face it, if money was no object and all you had to do was go pick out your car, I dont think there would be too many people in this forum.

CBRich 05-09-2010 01:04 PM

Cars suck. Nissans are the best ever.

m4a1mustang 05-09-2010 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich (Post 530609)
Cars suck. Nissans are the best ever.

:iagree:

Nissan... the only car with edible emblems... Hamburgers... nomnomnom.

nuTinmuch 05-09-2010 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 530606)
lets face it, if money was no object and all you had to do was go pick out your car, I dont think there would be too many people in this forum.

I'd be over at NAGTROC. :D

And Lambopit.

Zsteve 05-09-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SophiaZ (Post 530538)
There's no chance you'd see me in a Mustang. I do, however, love the Mach-1's, but it's definitly not worth to trade in a Z. And why on EARTH do people always talk about hp? I don't know where yall are from but there is something called a "Speed Limit" in Jerzey. Not saying thats the only place to drive is on the streets, but I know I wouldn't be spending every day at the track just becuz I have a V8 Mustang..or car for that matter. The Z is enough of a car for me ;)

Man I just came back from NJ for work and man do I hate to drive there. No left hand turns, WTF? Damn jug handles. Makes me like the wide open space of TX.

KingDavid 05-09-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 530135)
Would never trade for the stang. The new stang is a crazy car but check the stats. The 0-60 is about the same, and its only a little faster in the 1/4. Dont think I need to tell you guys this but there is no comparison with the handeling. Lets c that stang with its big solid rear pull almost .99g on the skid pad. I love my Z thats not here yet lol.

You're crazy. The stang pulled a .97 on the skid pad. It is another animal on the 1/4. It is almost full second faster than the 370 in the 1/4.

The 370 is a nice car, but you can't bash the stang. Sorry.

Zsteve 05-09-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KingDavid (Post 530635)
You're crazy. The stang pulled a .97 on the skid pad. It is another animal on the 1/4. It is almost full second faster than the 370 in the 1/4.

The 370 is a nice car, but you can't bash the stang. Sorry.

Sure we can cuz we are in a Z forum that rules over all cars cuz we said so.

kailua 05-09-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 530617)
I'd be over at NAGTROC. :D

And Lambopit.

I think a quite a few folks here do hang out over at NAGTROC. If what the recent buyers have been saying is true, you can get a new 2010 GTR for $70K -72K plus tx and fees since the 2011 have been out already. So for Cali, that's roughly about $78K otd. Pretty tempting.

I know I should get my head examined, oh well.:tup:

Here's a thought to make matters even more convoluted:

There's another thread right now discussing the possibility of a 2.5L V6 in a detuned Z. If Nissan offered a smaller displacement V6 like a new 3.0 or up to a 3.5 with direct injection and a factory turbo, I would definitely take this over a Mustang V8. Globs of torque and HP and the Z handling and fit and finish. Considering all the Germans are so heavily into turbos it's kind of curious why Nissan won't go this route.

Zsteve 05-09-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kailua (Post 530644)
I think a quite a few folks here do hang out over at NAGTROC. If what the recent buyers have been saying is true, you can get a new 2010 GTR for $70K -72K plus tx and fees since the 2011 have been out already. So for Cali, that's roughly about $78K otd. Pretty tempting.

I know I should get my head examined, oh well.:tup:

Here's a thought to make matters even more convoluted:

There's another thread right now discussing the possibility of a 2.5L V6 in a detuned Z. If Nissan offered a smaller displacement V6 like a new 3.0 or up to a 3.5 with direct injection and a factory turbo, I would definitely take this over a Mustang V8. Globs of torque and HP and the Z handling and fit and finish. Considering all the Germans are so heavily into turbos it's kind of curious why Nissan won't go this route.

tradition

and 72K is very tempting for the GTR

KingDavid 05-09-2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 530325)
Dont get me wrong the Stang is a great handeling car, but its still uses old technology like the solid rear. I cant believe they put a 6spd in it lol. Anyway I bet the Z would do just fine up against a Stang on the track. Look at the stats. Besides MotorTrend that got crazy high numbers some how 12.8 in the 1/4 the Stang is just about as fast as the Z.

No. The stang is THAT fast. People have been putting down those numbers already. They have cracked 11s now with minor bolt ons too.

KingDavid 05-09-2010 01:47 PM

Here's the video of Evo performance and what they did with the stang in less than two weeks.

YouTube - Evolution Performance - First 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V To Run 11's!

The first runs are bone stock. And with the ET streets the mods are
Exhaust, Tune, K&N Drop in Air Filter, upper and lower control arms and a new clutch.

Zsteve 05-09-2010 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KingDavid (Post 530653)
Here's the video of Evo performance and what they did with the stang in less than two weeks.

YouTube - Evolution Performance - First 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V To Run 11's!

The first runs are bone stock. And with the ET streets the mods are
Exhaust, Tune, K&N Drop in Air Filter, upper and lower control arms and a new clutch.

Yep gotta go SC now.

KingDavid 05-09-2010 01:51 PM

Yes. They ran 11s with those bolt ons. And with street tires, they trap much higher than the 370z. So those stop light runs won't be as close as you may think. On the track? Well we just have to wait and see. They handle very well.

370Z_Fan 05-09-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KingDavid (Post 530635)
You're crazy. The stang pulled a .97 on the skid pad. It is another animal on the 1/4. It is almost full second faster than the 370 in the 1/4.

The 370 is a nice car, but you can't bash the stang. Sorry.

No, you're crazy! The Z roadster pulled 1g in the lastest Motor Trend comparo. :eek:

fullmonty 05-09-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 530620)
Man I just came back from NJ for work and man do I hate to drive there. No left hand turns, WTF? Damn jug handles. Makes me like the wide open space of TX.

We happen to like our jug handles, thank you very much

NYBladeZ 05-09-2010 03:15 PM

These threads are getting annoying. The new 5.0 is great no looking past that. If you are worried about how the Z will deal with it in a straight line go F.I. but frankly if you really worried about straight line performance why did you get a Z? I got it for the overall drive appeal. If I wanted a big and heavy American car I would have got the Mustang. However I enjoy the superior control and grace associated with the Z. Want to beat a Mustang? F.I. or Nitrous should do it for you. I don't know why this continues, Ford was shooting for the Camaro and Challenger not the Z. How do you compare a 2 seater sports car to a 4 seater GT car?


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