Our Z vs New Mustang 5.0

kailua · 05-09-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Horsepower IS the calculation of TORQUE at a certain RPM. So in reality, horsepower numbers is what you really want to look at, how it's delivered, and how the gearing of the car puts the power to use. Gearing and horsepower curve is what you want to look at.

Also you mention you love motors that make lots of torque down low, yet you pick a front wheel drive car. I've owned high powered FWD cars and lots of low end torque in a wrong wheel drive car is MAJOR fail, traction issues, wheel hop, torque steer, a nightmare. A low flat torque curve in a motor that loves to rev for high rpm power is the way to go for FWD cars. That's why Honda > VW all day long when it comes to FWD performance (oxymoron) oriented cars.

My modded JB3 335i makes 400+ft lbs of torque at 2500rpm. Is it fast? HELL YES. Is it fun to drive like the Z? Not even close, I think sports cars should be revved out for power. Shoving a huge V8 that makes huge amounts of torque down low and runs out of steam right when you want to rev it out into a pure sports car like the Z is retarded. If anything, a low torque, short stroke high revving small displacement V8 (like 4.0L V8 in the E90/92 M3 would be amazing for the Z) It only makes 295ft lb of torque yet it revs to 8300 and is amazing.

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

370Zsteve · 05-09-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

I think that anyone who has owned 3 different cars in one year needs his head examined. Something wrong with you, man. I'm not gonna say GTI=Fail cuz it's a good car for a DD, better than a Z imo since a DD should be able to bring home loot from a monthly Costco trip.

waaaasabi · 05-09-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

The original post has to do with the fact that mnms370Z is having fleeting thoughts of maybe selling his Z and getting a Mustang with the new 5.0 V8.

Great, fabulous, whatever, I am not one to judge what vehicle he may be content with; he may really like the new Mustang, I don't know. Not for me to say, it's his decision.

I mentioned that I would love to have a Z with the new 5.6 V8 in the Infiniti M56. I then mentioned how I liked the instant torque of the 5.7 V8 in my Tundra. This is all for daily driving. I am not tracking a Tundra or the Z nor the GTI.

But of course the minute I mention that I moved on to a GTI, the fanboys are all over it, calling FAIL, like I just sold their first born to buy a burrito.

I am a pretty fickle guy so I usually hold on to my vehicles for a really short time and move on to something different. So just like the 09 370Z and the 09 STI and all the other vehicles I have owned, including the controversial GTI

in about 6 months I will be driving something else.

And yes, I know, depreciation, and cost, etc of selling so soon, but this is my hobby and like a lot of folks on the 370Z forum I have the means to change out vehicles frequently.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

Actually, the point that I took away from your earlier posts, and probably what other people understood to be the gist of your argument is this:
You sold your Z and you also like displacement and torque. Then you purchased a GTI, which is a FWD car. There is a fundamental conflict between your interest in torque and your choice of vehicle, not because of the vehicle itself, but because of its transmission layout. That's where the fail lies. I'm just pointing it out; not trying to invoke any negative sentiments about your new car.

Also, I think you're incorrect in assuming that we are a bunch of brand fanboys. No one is bashing the GTI as a car. It's an awesome looking car. I've never personally driven one, but I know its abilities have been lauded by the platitudes of many a car magazine editor.

Modshack · 05-09-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kailua

Yes, I agree with you, however, I think the context of what I was trying to say has been lost.

So the fanboys that I was referring to earlier, need to get over it and stop being such brand whores.

Yeah...I agree completely. Honestly I'm intrigued by the new Mustang. With 8 Porsches in my past and a LS3 Corvette before the Z, I'm one of those guys that just may add one to my bucket list before I can't drive anymore....

And, yeah....I have a GTI too. A really cool driver BTW despite the fanboy sneers. a 2003 20th aniversary with 12K on her.....I just like cars, PERIOD...

FuszNissan · 05-08-2010, 10:53 PM

Just go FI

Soygen · 05-08-2010, 10:59 PM

The performance on the 370z is good enough for me, but the main factor is the exclusivity and the fact that I find the visual look of the 370z to be far superior to the Mustang. So the Mustang could have 1,000hp and it would still be a Mustang that you will probably see 20 of on the way to work in a couple years. I'll pass.

red6spd · 05-08-2010, 11:02 PM

Would never trade for the stang. The new stang is a crazy car but check the stats. The 0-60 is about the same, and its only a little faster in the 1/4. Dont think I need to tell you guys this but there is no comparison with the handeling. Lets c that stang with its big solid rear pull almost .99g on the skid pad. I love my Z thats not here yet lol.

Lug · 05-08-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Would never trade for the stang. The new stang is a crazy car but check the stats. The 0-60 is about the same, and its only a little faster in the 1/4. Dont think I need to tell you guys this but there is no comparison with the handeling. Lets c that stang with its big solid rear pull almost .99g on the skid pad. I love my Z thats not here yet lol.

The stang is pulling .94's, about the same as a 350Z. I say the stang has great acceleration and good handling and the Z has great handling and good acceleration. Nothing else comes close to these two in this price range. The real difference will probably be build quality down the road. If you want to keep your car for 10 years, I'd bet on the Z, if you trade it in every 4, it's a lot tougher decision. If how others look at you is important to you, the Z is the only choice.

red6spd · 05-09-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

The stang is pulling .94's, about the same as a 350Z. I say the stang has great acceleration and good handling and the Z has great handling and good acceleration. Nothing else comes close to these two in this price range. The real difference will probably be build quality down the road. If you want to keep your car for 10 years, I'd bet on the Z, if you trade it in every 4, it's a lot tougher decision. If how others look at you is important to you, the Z is the only choice.

Yea same as a 350. But from what I hear the 350 and the 370 are very very different. I love Jap cars so my choice is gonna be bias. But the Stang does one thing good straight line.

Lug · 05-09-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Yea same as a 350. But from what I hear the 350 and the 370 are very very different. I love Jap cars so my choice is gonna be bias. But the Stang does one thing good straight line.

A .94 is very good and beat lots of really good handling cars like an S2000. It also slaloms at over 68 mph which doesn't quite match the 370Z, but it's definately very close. The mustang definately doesn't just do "one thing good straight line" anymore. You are thinking older mustangs. The 2010 even with the older 4.6L was far supierior to prevous stangs in all round handling and the 2011 is an improvement on that. I have doubts that the Z is gonna be able to keep up on any track larger than autocross parking lot tracks. It's gonna need a power boost soon.

red6spd · 05-09-2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

A .94 is very good and beat lots of really good handling cars like an S2000. It also slaloms at over 68 mph which doesn't quite match the 370Z, but it's definately very close. The mustang definately doesn't just do "one thing good straight line" anymore. You are thinking older mustangs. The 2010 even with the older 4.6L was far supierior to prevous stangs in all round handling and the 2011 is an improvement on that. I have doubts that the Z is gonna be able to keep up on any track larger than autocross parking lot tracks. It's gonna need a power boost soon.

Dont get me wrong the Stang is a great handeling car, but its still uses old technology like the solid rear. I cant believe they put a 6spd in it lol. Anyway I bet the Z would do just fine up against a Stang on the track. Look at the stats. Besides MotorTrend that got crazy high numbers some how 12.8 in the 1/4 the Stang is just about as fast as the Z.

KingDavid · 05-09-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Would never trade for the stang. The new stang is a crazy car but check the stats. The 0-60 is about the same, and its only a little faster in the 1/4. Dont think I need to tell you guys this but there is no comparison with the handeling. Lets c that stang with its big solid rear pull almost .99g on the skid pad. I love my Z thats not here yet lol.

You're crazy. The stang pulled a .97 on the skid pad. It is another animal on the 1/4. It is almost full second faster than the 370 in the 1/4.

The 370 is a nice car, but you can't bash the stang. Sorry.

Zsteve · 05-09-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KingDavid

You're crazy. The stang pulled a .97 on the skid pad. It is another animal on the 1/4. It is almost full second faster than the 370 in the 1/4.

The 370 is a nice car, but you can't bash the stang. Sorry.

Sure we can cuz we are in a Z forum that rules over all cars cuz we said so.

370Z_Fan · 05-09-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KingDavid

You're crazy. The stang pulled a .97 on the skid pad. It is another animal on the 1/4. It is almost full second faster than the 370 in the 1/4.

The 370 is a nice car, but you can't bash the stang. Sorry.

No, you're crazy! The Z roadster pulled 1g in the lastest Motor Trend comparo.

fullmonty · 05-09-2010, 12:34 AM

I love my Z but FO MO CO FTW

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