2011 Mustang GT... I think I need to re-think my next car

Red370 · 03-30-2010, 07:09 PM

Or maybe even the 370FMG (Face Melting Goodness)

Shows a guy in a commercial cruising along, nice and quiet with his bose and nav and all happy, then a passenger accidentally hits the window switch and a vacuum sucks everyone from the car... then the heading marquees across the screen "The 370FMG, IT WILL MELT YOUR FACE"

Red370 · 03-30-2010, 10:34 PM

I find it hilarious how a Mustang thread opens up and all the fanboys come out of the woodwork...

dad · 03-30-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I find it hilarious how a Mustang thread opens up and all the fanboys come out of the woodwork...

Not fanboys! "Automobile enthusiasts", we love automobiles!
Many members here, fail to see the beauty, and appreciate other cars!

Pharmacist · 03-30-2010, 10:50 PM

mustangs? bleh. still a straight line wonder. as they have always been. regardless of data on paper, they won't be as nimble and precise as sports cars like the 370z. they still are plagued by heavy weight, uneven weight distribution, and poor chassis and suspension design. perhaps on longer tracks with lots of straight lines the mustang will be competitive. but on more handling oriented and technical tracks the mustang will still lag behind the z. here, check it out. Top Gear test track - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 370z has a laptime of 1 min 27.5 sec on top gear test track. the roush mustang has a time of 1 min 28 sec and the shelby gt500 has a lousy 1 min 30 sec. do you think the 2011 mustang v8 will be any better than the roush or shelby?

by the way, comparing a v6 with a v8 is comparing apples to oranges. a more appropriate comparison is to the v6 mustang. even with the 2011 power upgrade, the z still wins in both straight line and track.

anyway, enough mustang bashing for today.

ZKindaGuy · 03-30-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

mustangs? bleh. still a straight line wonder. as they have always been. regardless of data on paper, they won't be as nimble and precise as sports cars like the 370z. they still are plagued by heavy weight, uneven weight distribution, and poor chassis and suspension design. perhaps on longer tracks with lots of straight lines the mustang will be competitive. but on more handling oriented and technical tracks the mustang will still lag behind the z. here, check it out. Top Gear test track - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 370z has a laptime of 1 min 27.5 sec on top gear test track. the roush mustang has a time of 1 min 28 sec and the shelby gt500 has a lousy 1 min 30 sec. do you think the 2011 mustang v8 will be any better than the roush or shelby?

by the way, comparing a v6 with a v8 is comparing apples to oranges. a more appropriate comparison is to the v6 mustang. even with the 2011 power upgrade, the z still wins in both straight line and track.

anyway, enough mustang bashing for today.

I don't think you are Mustang bashing...however I can say that what some folks believe is based on a lack of information about the suspension and steering configurations of Mustangs between various 2005 and 2010 models.

The Shelby GT500 did not have the same rear end suspension and steering configuration as the Roush did. In fact the Roush Mustang had the identical rear end suspension and steering configuration as the 2007 and 2008 Shelby GT (which is not the GT500). And it was the Roush Mustang with the identical 2007 and 2008 Shelby GT (not GT500) suspension and steering configuration that did indeed out-handle the 370Z on the worst curve on a special head-to-head slalom course test performed in Great Britain last summer of 2009 which was caught on video (and later used by Roush as a promotion) and I believe presented on the Roush site (and YouTube) at one time. I think it is the test you noted in your Wiki reference.

The most interesting thing about the video is that the driver of the various cars was at one time in the past an original muscle-era GT500 owner and thought the new GT500's being much better designed that the original GT500's would dominate the newly introduced 370Z. Instead the 2007/08 GT500 was dominated by the 370Z in all the runs. The 2007 GT500 just could NOT hold the curves of the track and failed miserably. However, once this proved to be the case the man put the 370Z against the Roush Mustang 427R thinking the same would happen. And to his surprise he found that the Roush repeatedly came very close to beating the 370Z in the slalom course. The difference between the 2007 GT500 and the Roush was that the Roush had the same steering and suspension as the Shelby GT (not the GT500).

It wasn't until 2010 that the Shelby GT500 was given the same suspension and steering configuration as the Shelby GT (and Roush Mustang). Also the Ford production 2010 Mustang GT is the first time the regular production GT ever received this same Shelby GT suspension and steering configuration which caused the 370Z to be nearly out-handled on the slalom course.

So your straight line thoughts may have been true for Ford production GT's and GT500's between 2005 and 2009 but it is no longer a thought or reason that can just be so leisurely assumed any more. I'd like to see the test against the 370Z redone now that the 2010 Shelby GT500 has the same suspension as the Shelby GT and Roush.

Pharmacist · 03-31-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy

I don't think you are Mustang bashing...however I can say that what some folks believe is based on a lack of information about the suspension and steering configurations of Mustangs between various 2005 and 2010 models.

The Shelby GT500 did not have the same rear end suspension and steering configuration as the Roush did. In fact the Roush Mustang had the identical rear end suspension and steering configuration as the 2007 and 2008 Shelby GT (which is not the GT500). And it was the Roush Mustang with the identical 2007 and 2008 Shelby GT (not GT500) suspension and steering configuration that did indeed out-handle the 370Z on the worst curve on a special head-to-head slalom course test performed in Great Britain last summer of 2009 which was caught on video (and later used by Roush as a promotion) and I believe presented on the Roush site (and YouTube) at one time. I think it is the test you noted in your Wiki reference.

The most interesting thing about the video is that the driver of the various cars was at one time in the past an original muscle-era GT500 owner and thought the new GT500's being much better designed that the original GT500's would dominate the newly introduced 370Z. Instead the 2007/08 GT500 was dominated by the 370Z in all the runs. The 2007 GT500 just could NOT hold the curves of the track and failed miserably. However, once this proved to be the case the man put the 370Z against the Roush Mustang 427R thinking the same would happen. And to his surprise he found that the Roush repeatedly came very close to beating the 370Z in the slalom course. The difference between the 2007 GT500 and the Roush was that the Roush had the same steering and suspension as the Shelby GT (not the GT500).

It wasn't until 2010 that the Shelby GT500 was given the same suspension and steering configuration as the Shelby GT (and Roush Mustang). Also the Ford production 2010 Mustang GT is the first time the regular production GT ever received this same Shelby GT suspension and steering configuration which caused the 370Z to be nearly out-handled on the slalom course.

So your straight line thoughts may have been true for Ford production GT's and GT500's between 2005 and 2009 but it is no longer a thought or reason that can just be so leisurely assumed any more. I'd like to see the test against the 370Z redone now that the 2010 Shelby GT500 has the same suspension as the Shelby GT and Roush.

i cant find said video of the roush so if you can link it that would be great. but what you say does seem to make sense. i do remember the top gear episode the gt500 was spinning all over the place while the roush was a lot more stable in cornering and handling and was actually faster despite the power disadvantage.

edit: found this vid http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...deo/index.html

numbers on paper, not the same as the z but still pretty close. still a lot of money just to make the mustang handle decently.

MightyBobo · 03-31-2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

mustangs? bleh. still a straight line wonder. as they have always been. regardless of data on paper, they won't be as nimble and precise as sports cars like the 370z. they still are plagued by heavy weight, uneven weight distribution, and poor chassis and suspension design. perhaps on longer tracks with lots of straight lines the mustang will be competitive. but on more handling oriented and technical tracks the mustang will still lag behind the z. here, check it out. Top Gear test track - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 370z has a laptime of 1 min 27.5 sec on top gear test track. the roush mustang has a time of 1 min 28 sec and the shelby gt500 has a lousy 1 min 30 sec. do you think the 2011 mustang v8 will be any better than the roush or shelby?

by the way, comparing a v6 with a v8 is comparing apples to oranges. a more appropriate comparison is to the v6 mustang. even with the 2011 power upgrade, the z still wins in both straight line and track.

anyway, enough mustang bashing for today.

Hey, look! Our favorite misinformed domestic basher has arrived!

Weird, I thought comparing two $30000 cars next to each other was a valid comparison, but apparently, only the V6 version of the GT...a solid $8000 less (more than likely) than the 370Z is only good enough for you.

Look, you're out of your league with mechanical knowledge, and you talk out of your *** in ALL of these conversations - please, spare us from yet another horrible read-a-thon that involves you?

Pharmacist · 03-31-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Hey, look! Our favorite misinformed domestic basher has arrived!

Weird, I thought comparing two $30000 cars next to each other was a valid comparison, but apparently, only the V6 version of the GT...a solid $8000 less (more than likely) than the 370Z is only good enough for you.

Look, you're out of your league with mechanical knowledge, and you talk out of your *** in ALL of these conversations - please, spare us from yet another horrible read-a-thon that involves you?

if dont like what i have to say, you don't have to read it, you can go back to shoving your head up your arse.

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You can't park within two spaces of the guy without him getting all upset about how you parked your hoopty too close to his F1-inspired 370Z.

I can't wait for the day someone parks a rustbucket right next to your car in an EMPTY parking lot and kicks the door open, leaving a nice juicy scratch on your car, only for you to come to this forum and whine about it, just so i can bitchslap ur arse. now

and go back to your rathole

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Except for making the Mustang into a track-able machine. That, however, is impossible. Dont even think about it. DURRRRR HURP DURP. IM PHARMACIST. DUR DEE DURP

wow, you're dripping with IQ right there

anything can be made to be trackable even a camry with enough money. what's your point?

cossie1600 · 03-30-2010, 11:23 PM

Is it me or is the Mustang going to have the highest premium. 400HP for 30K=lots of crashes. I thought the Z was bad, Mustang is going to be a lot worse

Red370 · 03-30-2010, 11:33 PM

hey listen, we're all Ohioans here (go bucks), cant we all just get along?

marcussoori · 03-30-2010, 11:39 PM

Wow, for other events over the past year, and with this car putting me over the top, I now respect Ford for the first time in my life. I would have high regard for a car enthusiast who purchases this car, whether or not they also consider the 370Z. At the same time, I love my 370Z and am okay with it being slower in acceleration. And I prefer the interior/exterior looks, sound, and handling of my car as well.

Forrest · 03-31-2010, 03:41 AM

Interior? I hear the corvette has crappy interior? I would still own one any day of the week soon as I feel like shelling out 45k and one day I might. My 350z had hard plastic interior, definitely not the best! Never stopped me once.
Not rare? I buy things because I like them. Rare factor is nice but come on really we are not driving 100k cars. Only reason this car is rare is because it only has 2 seats and is not practicable for most people.
The mustang v6 and v8 are nice cars. I am glad to see a American company make a good product. competition is good.

m4a1mustang · 03-31-2010, 06:11 AM

Don't even bother with Pharmacist.

MightyBobo · 03-31-2010, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Don't even bother with Pharmacist.

Pharmadouche is more like it.

m4a1mustang · 03-31-2010, 06:30 AM

You can't park within two spaces of the guy without him getting all upset about how you parked your hoopty too close to his F1-inspired 370Z.

03-30-2010, 07:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 298	Or maybe even the 370FMG (Face Melting Goodness) Shows a guy in a commercial cruising along, nice and quiet with his bose and nav and all happy, then a passenger accidentally hits the window switch and a vacuum sucks everyone from the car... then the heading marquees across the screen "The 370FMG, IT WILL MELT YOUR FACE" __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

03-30-2010, 10:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 298	I find it hilarious how a Mustang thread opens up and all the fanboys come out of the woodwork... __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

03-30-2010, 10:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 20	mustangs? bleh. still a straight line wonder. as they have always been. regardless of data on paper, they won't be as nimble and precise as sports cars like the 370z. they still are plagued by heavy weight, uneven weight distribution, and poor chassis and suspension design. perhaps on longer tracks with lots of straight lines the mustang will be competitive. but on more handling oriented and technical tracks the mustang will still lag behind the z. here, check it out. Top Gear test track - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 370z has a laptime of 1 min 27.5 sec on top gear test track. the roush mustang has a time of 1 min 28 sec and the shelby gt500 has a lousy 1 min 30 sec. do you think the 2011 mustang v8 will be any better than the roush or shelby? by the way, comparing a v6 with a v8 is comparing apples to oranges. a more appropriate comparison is to the v6 mustang. even with the 2011 power upgrade, the z still wins in both straight line and track. anyway, enough mustang bashing for today. __________________ 2009 370z Sport Touring/Nismo shift Knob/Z1 motorsports 34 row oil cooler

03-30-2010, 11:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 298	hey listen, we're all Ohioans here (go bucks), cant we all just get along? __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

03-30-2010, 11:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
marcussoori Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 468 Drives: 09 370Z Red AT Sport Rep Power: 18	Wow, for other events over the past year, and with this car putting me over the top, I now respect Ford for the first time in my life. I would have high regard for a car enthusiast who purchases this car, whether or not they also consider the 370Z. At the same time, I love my 370Z and am okay with it being slower in acceleration. And I prefer the interior/exterior looks, sound, and handling of my car as well. __________________ Stillen CBE & G3 LTIs, Motordyne M370, Berk HFCs, H&R 15/20mm spacers, CiNcity headlights, yellow OEM strut brace, Password: JDM CF engine bay parts, EVO-R CF front bumper parts, CF "Z" badge, VIS CF hood, Fujimura CF "diffuser", Show-N-Go plate frame, Katzkin red interior, interior CF, Pioneer BT-90 full system, Viper SmartStart

03-30-2010, 11:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 32	Is it me or is the Mustang going to have the highest premium. 400HP for 30K=lots of crashes. I thought the Z was bad, Mustang is going to be a lot worse

03-31-2010, 03:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
Forrest Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: california 707! Posts: 677 Drives: 09 370z Blk 6mt sprt Rep Power: 260	Interior? I hear the corvette has crappy interior? I would still own one any day of the week soon as I feel like shelling out 45k and one day I might. My 350z had hard plastic interior, definitely not the best! Never stopped me once. Not rare? I buy things because I like them. Rare factor is nice but come on really we are not driving 100k cars. Only reason this car is rare is because it only has 2 seats and is not practicable for most people. The mustang v6 and v8 are nice cars. I am glad to see a American company make a good product. competition is good. __________________ my pictures http://www.the370z.com/members/forrest-albums-370z.html

03-31-2010, 06:11 AM	#13 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Don't even bother with Pharmacist. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-31-2010, 06:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	You can't park within two spaces of the guy without him getting all upset about how you parked your hoopty too close to his F1-inspired 370Z. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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