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-   -   2011 Mustang GT... I think I need to re-think my next car (http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discussions/16799-2011-mustang-gt-i-think-i-need-re-think-my-next-car.html)

LiquidZ 03-30-2010 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 472562)
So you agree with my coworkers when they felt the interior of the 2011 looked antiquated and ugly? :tiphat:
Hahahaha. I thought your coworkers were comparing the current interior to the image of the Fox's interior in your post.

I agree, the 60's era styling is an obvious influence on the current style. However, I don't see any similarities between the Fox's and the current.

Zsteve 03-30-2010 10:51 AM
Its still a butt ugly interior and IMO exterior not matter if they are trying to go retro or what. If you want unique or semi unique then the GT isnt it.

sk8geezer 03-30-2010 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by B1nks (Post 471946)
Also just on a footnote if we SC our 370z, which is another 8k give or take, then our 370z price just went to 40k+, depending on the package you bought it at, and you're putting down about the same power levels for the 32k Mustang. Also you won't have all the overheating issues more than likely and probably not the brake lockup issues. Hmmm..
It would not be the same power levels with a supercharged 370z. You can put cbe, hfc, and intake, with maybe cobb and have the same power levels as the 2011 Mustang.

The supercharger would give you 520 bhp, the Mustand only has 415 bhp.

Nick911sc 03-30-2010 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sk8geezer (Post 472702)
It would not be the same power levels with a supercharged 370z. You can put cbe, hfc, and intake, with maybe cobb and have the same power levels as the 2011 Mustang.

The supercharger would give you 520 bhp, the Mustand only has 415 bhp.
What? 370z with bolt-ons do not equal the 5.0 mustang..

WICKED_GRIN 03-30-2010 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeyaBud86 (Post 472423)
Here is the difference plain and simple.

I see literally 5 2010 Mustangs everytime I get on the road(which is generally a 10 minute drive because Naples is a small city). The 350z was a very common car, as with the Mustang, but the 370 on the other hand is a little more exclusive. Mustangs are generic, plain and simple. Most people buy a Mustang because:
A. It looks fast(which is debatable)
B. The average person thinks Mustangs are fast simply because of American Tradition
C. Most teenage kids ask their parents for a Mustang GT in high school, which also ties into B^^

Some people also pick the 370 (and all Z's) for the same reasons as well. But, I think a higher % of people who buy the Z's actually buy it because its an all around good performance car. I could have gotten more power and a faster car if I wanted to, but I wanted more for my money. Who cares if your "sports coupe" is fast in a straight line, but handles like an SUV in the twistys. Thats like having a hot wife that you can only look at, but not touch. The Z is an agile wide receiver, while the Mustang is a 450lb (arguably 500lb) linebacker.

That being said. The new 5.0 GT is very, very impressive. It looks the same as the 2010 GT (everyone who bought that got screwed), and it does have some eye popping numbers. The Brembo brake package is really great, as well with an aluminum block(finally, welcome to 2010 Ford). But the only Mustang that I would ever look at is the 2013 model, which is rumored to actually have an independent rear axle. This will actually make the Stang handle decently.

So to the OP here is the verdict:

Mustang for street(cocktail party talk - probably more like frat party talk)
Z for all around performance (Back/side street weapon - After Stillen S/C it will be faster than Stang anyways.)





You are right……in 2014, it’s the Mustang 50th year anniversary! Twin Turbo V6, IRS etc. It might then be time to trade in my Roadster!! Or Maybe not……

Report: Next Ford Mustang to go global, adopt IRS

LiquidZ 03-30-2010 11:58 AM
Torque guys, torque.

Jamaica 03-30-2010 11:59 AM
I like mustangs but my all time favorite 67 gt500 4 speed. oh shelby

280z/300zx 03-30-2010 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 472544)
some eye opening numbers

The 2010 Mustang pulled .93 G's and slalomed at 69.3 MPH for Road and Track. I assume the 2011 will at least match these numbers. Not quite Z numbers but damn close far far better than other US manufactures. If you think you are gonna run away from a mustang in the corners, you're gonna be surpised. If you thing the 'stang can't handle, you're judging from the past, not what's selling now. Mustangs have quitely become much better overall sportscars whilst the Camaro and Challenger was getting all the "gee golly" press.

:iagree: I keep seeing so many people saying these cars can't handle but I wonder how many have actually driven them or raced against them. My girlfriend has the new Camaro SS and while heavy and not quite as precise as my Z it still handles very well. At auto-x the camaro does very well and gets times that you wouldn't expect it to. Same goes for the mustang. There are guys there running mustangs who are nipping at my heals in my Z. Gone are the days where muscle cars can't handle a turn. Sure, it may feel heavy and not as precise as the Z, but it doesn't mean it can't take the turn fast. I think most people are blind to the fact that this new mustang will not only out drag our beloved Z but it will also keep up with us in the corners with no problems.

I'll agree our Z fits like a glove when taking tight turns while these muscle cars feels a bit forced. There is going to definetly be that difference in feeling. In the end though numbers aren't going to change. Guarantee you later this year I'll have my hands full at auto-x with these 2011 stangs.

WICKED_GRIN 03-30-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sk8geezer (Post 472702)
It would not be the same power levels with a supercharged 370z. You can put cbe, hfc, and intake, with maybe cobb and have the same power levels as the 2011 Mustang.

The supercharger would give you 520 bhp, the Mustand only has 415 bhp.






Ford has underestimated the power on the 5.0…….Inside Line did a dyno and it’s actually 395 WHP.

Video: Inside Line dynos the 2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 — Autoblog

m4a1mustang 03-30-2010 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 472704)
What? 370z with bolt-ons do not equal the 5.0 mustang..
Bottom line is the Mustang is in a different league when it comes to power. There's no point in trying to compare because they will always have the advantage. Throw a supercharger on the Z, sure, it'll be faster. But what happens when you slap on on the Mustang?

Like someone else said, there's always going to be someone or some thing that's faster/better than you. Ultimately what it comes down to is what you like. Does the 370Z do it for you? If it does, you're golden.

Like with most things, haters are typically hating because they aren't secure with what they've got.

Horseface 03-30-2010 12:07 PM
Can this one go around corners ok?

NewlyIMPORTed 03-30-2010 12:08 PM
get the mustang... i like when the old guys in new mustangs look at my car like they have never seen it because they haven't i like keeping the 370 rare

m4a1mustang 03-30-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Horseface (Post 472729)
Can this one go around corners ok?
The last one could. The track pack equipped cars (read: sport package) are very formidable around a road track.

wishihadnav 03-30-2010 12:10 PM
i like the mustang

WICKED_GRIN 03-30-2010 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 472726)
Bottom line is the Mustang is in a different league when it comes to power. There's no point in trying to compare because they will always have the advantage. Throw a supercharger on the Z, sure, it'll be faster. But what happens when you slap on on the Mustang?

Like someone else said, there's always going to be someone or some thing that's faster/better than you. Ultimately what it comes down to is what you like. Does the 370Z do it for you? If it does, you're golden.

Like with most things, haters are typically hating because they aren't secure with what they've got.



so true....

40th370z 03-30-2010 12:15 PM
How many of us use our cars to the full potential?

How often are you going to be racing a 2011 Mustang?

Is this about bragging rights "my car is faster then your car"is kinda like "my dad can beat up your dad".

Suggesting a Mustang is better then a Z in a Z forum is going to get flamed.

It comes down to what you like,if you want a car that everyone else has buy a Mustang, you want something a little more rare buy a Z ,its all personal taste,if your in a Z forum and not a Mustang forum you must have a reason.

WICKED_GRIN 03-30-2010 12:16 PM
Originally Posted by m4a1mustang
Bottom line is the Mustang is in a different league when it comes to power. There's no point in trying to compare because they will always have the advantage. Throw a supercharger on the Z, sure, it'll be faster. But what happens when you slap on on the Mustang?

Like someone else said, there's always going to be someone or some thing that's faster/better than you. Ultimately what it comes down to is what you like. Does the 370Z do it for you? If it does, you're golden.

Like with most things, haters are typically hating because they aren't secure with what they've got.




^^ Let’s not forget about those tiny Toyota 4 cylinder engines in the tiny Lotus…..

NYBladeZ 03-30-2010 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NewlyIMPORTed (Post 472732)
get the mustang... i like when the old guys in new mustangs look at my car like they have never seen it because they haven't i like keeping the 370 rare
+1

Nick911sc 03-30-2010 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 472726)
Bottom line is the Mustang is in a different league when it comes to power. There's no point in trying to compare because they will always have the advantage. Throw a supercharger on the Z, sure, it'll be faster. But what happens when you slap on on the Mustang?

Like someone else said, there's always going to be someone or some thing that's faster/better than you. Ultimately what it comes down to is what you like. Does the 370Z do it for you? If it does, you're golden.

Like with most things, haters are typically hating because they aren't secure with what they've got.

Agreed

Zsteve 03-30-2010 12:24 PM
the 2011 stang will be the big hp guy for awhile, then in a year some other company will come out with higher numbers, then another company, its all a cycle. You will also see more 4 cyl cars with 1 or 2 turbos that will be just as fast.

Lug 03-30-2010 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 40th370z (Post 472747)
How many of us use our cars to the full potential?

How often are you going to be racing a 2011 Mustang?

Is this about bragging rights "my car is faster then your car"is kinda like "my dad can beat up your dad".

Suggesting a Mustang is better then a Z in a Z forum is going to get flamed.

It comes down to what you like,if you want a car that everyone else has buy a Mustang, you want something a little more rare buy a Z ,its all personal taste,if your in a Z forum and not a Mustang forum you must have a reason.
Recognizing the competition is just being intelectually honest. Next year the mustang is the only competition for the 370Z at that price point in my book. One handles a bit better and traditionally has better build quality, the other is going to flat out outperform in all but the tightest tracks. The two are neck and neck with each having it's advantages over the other. The Mustang is an ugly car, but you can't but help respect it's performance capabilities.

Nick911sc 03-30-2010 12:27 PM
If you worry about what the next new car/motor is going to be that comes out, and how much better it will be than what you have, you'll constantly be playing catch up. It's just a cycle of the industry. Something new and better(subjective) is always coming out. Save your money and be happy with what you have. Or spend your money to get the next best thing. Just be prepared to start the cycle over again.

40th370z 03-30-2010 12:30 PM
Most Z owners complain that they cant see their cars from the outside driving around ,I suspect the Mustang owners wont have that issue,it will be like "Oh that is what may car looks like when I'm driving around "or "wow that is what my car would look like if I had bought a red/blue/black etc. colored Mustang".

Ask yourself this when was the last time you drove around the block to look at Mustang again.btw I did this yesterday to look at a 350 nismo I saw out of the corner of my eye.

Meanwhile the Z owners will just have to find a big department store window to drive buy on a sunny day to see what their Z looks like from the outside driving around...... come on admit you've done this ;)

Lug 03-30-2010 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick911sc (Post 472771)
If you worry about what the next new car/motor is going to be that comes out, and how much better it will be than what you have, you'll constantly be playing catch up. It's just a cycle of the industry. Something new and better(subjective) is always coming out. Save your money and be happy with what you have. Or spend your money to get the next best thing. Just be prepared to start the cycle over again.
True, but in this mustang's case this isn't a performance bump....it's a huge leap. I wouldn't even consider a 2010, but the 2011 is a real game changer. It's leaped past the camaro and gives the 370Z pause. I doubt you will see this kind of jump from anyone else anytime soon. Ford had to step up to the plate due to the competition and managed to do it in spades.

Nick911sc 03-30-2010 12:46 PM
I agree it's a huge leap in performance. I'm just saying... It's a never ending race when it comes to new technology and power.

Red370 03-30-2010 12:51 PM
im ready for Nissan to bring back the 240SX, 300-350hp turbo 4, boost controller, up pipe, larger compressor, 500+ HP on the cheap.

Nick911sc 03-30-2010 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 472810)
im ready for Nissan to bring back the 240SX, 300-350hp turbo 4, boost controller, up pipe, larger compressor, 500+ HP on the cheap.

I don't think that's too far fetched.

SeeyaBud86 03-30-2010 01:03 PM
Honestly it boils down to whatever floats your boat. Personally I got the Z over higher-powered muscle cars because I wanted my car to be balanced. Not just a drag queen. I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Mustang for the street.
Z for track/backroad fun.

theDreamer 03-30-2010 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 472810)
im ready for Nissan to bring back the 240SX, 200-250hp turbo 4, boost controller, up pipe, larger compressor, 350+ HP on the cheap.
Fixed.
Nissan will control the revival of the 240SX very heavily not to interfere with the 370z or GT-R. It will be cheap power, but they will also limit it so initial sales do not hurt current production vehicles.

SeeyaBud86 03-30-2010 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 40th370z (Post 472747)
Suggesting a Mustang is better then a Z in a Z forum is going to get flamed.
Yes. Lol. This is also part of the reason. Most of us picked the Z over a muscle car. I bet you on the Ford forums or GT forums they are having a parade and :roflpuke2: - ing everywhere. Ford has really stepped up their game, and being an American I like that. Would I ever buy one? No. But I give it a :tup:

Red370 03-30-2010 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 472827)
Fixed.
Nissan will control the revival of the 240SX very heavily not to interfere with the 370z or GT-R. It will be cheap power, but they will also limit it so initial sales do not hurt current production vehicles.
Nissan is going to have to do something drastic man, whether it be bumping up the Z's power, or creating another model intermediately priced between the Z and the GTR, with all these cars coming out with 400+ hp, it will only hurt sales if they dont.

theDreamer 03-30-2010 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 472831)
Nissan is going to have to do something drastic man, whether it be bumping up the Z's power, or creating another model intermediately priced between the Z and the GTR, with all these cars coming out with 400+ hp, it will only hurt sales if they dont.
You also have to factor in power to weight ratio. The 370z could easily come out with a slightly better flowing exhaust setup (IE aftermarket) and put down 350-70HP and compete with a stock 2011 Mustang.

Red370 03-30-2010 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 472837)
You also have to factor in power to weight ratio. The 370z could easily come out with a slightly better flowing exhaust setup (IE aftermarket) and put down 350-70HP and compete with a stock 2011 Mustang.
This is a good point, but where they have us by the balls is the TQ, and I dont think the VHR will make alot of that even FI'ed :(

370zdub 03-30-2010 01:18 PM
^Very true dreamer, I think Nissan has plenty up their sleeve when it comes to Tech, and I'm sure they have witheld plenty of that tech waiting for something to step up. I can guarantee by 2012-2013 the 370Z will have a HP bump and some new suspension geometry putting it right back on top of the game as far as performance numbers go. Nissan has the Tech to do it now, but in the meantime while the Z is still selling well, why not wait and let the others show their cards.?

theDreamer 03-30-2010 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 472843)
This is a good point, but where they have us by the balls is the TQ, and I dont think the VHR will make alot of that even FI'ed :(
Well, 3.7 v 5.0, not much you can do about that.
Currently Mustang has done a one up all around the, but in a few years lets wait and see what Nissan does.

370zdub 03-30-2010 01:19 PM
Dang you and your speedy replys Red! haha

370zdub 03-30-2010 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 472848)
Well, 3.7 v 5.0, not much you can do about that.
Currently Mustang has done a one up all around the, but in a few years lets wait and see what Nissan does.
Wow, I guess we were on the same page in our thinking with the future enhancements to the Z.

Red370 03-30-2010 01:21 PM
in a way im kinda curious to see what Chevy is going to come back with, i know the Z28 is in the works, but thats going to be direct competition with the GT500.

theDreamer 03-30-2010 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 472856)
in a way im kinda curious to see what Chevy is going to come back with, i know the Z28 is in the works, but thats going to be direct competition with the GT500.
Well the GT500 is pretty worthless right now, until Chevy can figure out which end is its brain then we will not see a Z28.

dad 03-30-2010 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 472349)
http://image.motortrend.com/f/285826...T-interior.jpg

I pulled this picture up and asked a few coworkers to guess what year mustang interior this is. They all said between the late 80's and early 90's. It's the 2011 Mustang's interior... That's just pathetic design.
Have you gone to a Ford dealer, and looked inside a Mustang? Or are you just judging photos, to base your judgment? That pathetic design as you call it! "Hasn't hurt the sale of the Mustang"!


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