The old phrase a dime a dozen comes to mind - I can't drive 2 miles down here in Florida without seeing a Mustang and DeSoto Speedway seems to have a Mustang only event at least once a month so all the Mustang owners take over the roads. Make mine a Z and I'll always be happy watching folks strain their necks to see what I'm driving.

To each his own though, so enjoy!

I think this is crazy enough to be the actual answer to how our car stays exclusive after they've been sold to high school kids.

Rep+:tup:

Have a nut, later. :hello:

Even adults are having trouble with this car. We seem to lose one or two every month. Usually it's someone's mom just borrowing their car or a friend turning VDC off, though. :roflpuke2:

Survival of the fittest is a hell of a theory

That's kinda a rule of life! It's a dog eat dog world.

I found it a bit depressing when I looked in this months Modified Magazine and saw a Hyundai Genesis Coupe with the 3.8l V6. It was bolt on mods and a tune to the tune of 310whp 296trq..wtf..296trq N/A !? Where is the Z going wrong !?!?!?


EDIT: Sorry to get off topic but I didn't wanna start a new thread and I kinda feel this is sorta in the same category as Z compared to XXX and how disappointing, power wise, the Z is stacking up.

Hey we were trashing Mustangs ,start a hyundiai trash thread :rofl2:

Very impressive offering by Ford. Numbers do look very nice on paper.

I'm sure this car is very fast in the 1/4, .94 G's on the skidpad doesn't tell the whole story about handling, a lot of it is attributed to the tires.

If I recall the 3000GT VR4 used to pull some mightly impressive numbers on the skipad, over .90 G's also. In real life it's a handful in the twisties, mainly due to its weight. I have a feeling it will be the same for this Mustang, Fast in a straight line, handling looks good on paper but in real life it will be nowhere near as enjoyable tossing around or precise as a 370Z. I could be totally wrong also. ;)

If you get the stang you will be one of those guys trying to figure out which car is yours in the parking lot. They are and always will be a dime a dozen. Too common and too plain looking inside and out. What are they estimating the 2011 0 60 and 1/4 mile times to be?

I will test drive one, and who knows.

I love my Z, but the 5.0L gives me wood. When it comes times for a second car, that will be it.

You know this is just a thought but, if you want to buy a car based on numbers & how fast it goes why would you even be thinking about a $30,000+ mustang? If you want to get 0-60 under 4.3 seconds go buy a old camaro throw a SC and other goodies on it and you will have spent less than $30,000 for a FASTER car. It doesnt bother me that these new cars are faster than a 370z. IMO people dont buy 370z because of their 0-60 times or its 1/4 mile times.

They but it because it is a 370z

As soon as you buy the Gt, camaro or some else will come out with one that has even more hp. It's a game.

Uhh never been a stang or domestic type of guy, but I'll give props to the whole retro styling as the stang, looks wise, has made a come back. That being said is it still running a live axle? Wasn't that a point of frustration with the stang?

http://image.motortrend.com/f/285826...T-interior.jpg

I pulled this picture up and asked a few coworkers to guess what year mustang interior this is. They all said between the late 80's and early 90's. It's the 2011 Mustang's interior... That's just pathetic design.

You're not the only one man!

I don't mean anything personal about this, but your coworkers know nothing about cars, do they?

Why would I take it personally that you think my coworkers are dumb? :P

Look at the interior though. Take away the Nav screen and it looks like it's from the 80's, even to me. My dream car is a 1993 Mustang GT 5.0, and it's interior is almost identical.

Here's a 1992 LX interior, which is not far from the GT's interior in 1992 (sorry for the large picture). Are you saying it's not pathetically similar?

http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/2...t_interior.jpg

Sorry Matt, I fail to see it. The interior is supposed to be retro, but I don't see it here.

Ya Buy the Stang if you want to Drag and be upside down in it even if you plan to put 5000-6000 down. the 370z holds itself in the corners and holds its resale value alot better. I believe it won a award from kbb...sports car with the best resale value in its class...and domestic cars resale drops like a rock.

Here is the difference plain and simple.

I see literally 5 2010 Mustangs everytime I get on the road(which is generally a 10 minute drive because Naples is a small city). The 350z was a very common car, as with the Mustang, but the 370 on the other hand is a little more exclusive. Mustangs are generic, plain and simple. Most people buy a Mustang because:
A. It looks fast(which is debatable)
B. The average person thinks Mustangs are fast simply because of American Tradition
C. Most teenage kids ask their parents for a Mustang GT in high school, which also ties into B^^

Some people also pick the 370 (and all Z's) for the same reasons as well. But, I think a higher % of people who buy the Z's actually buy it because its an all around good performance car. I could have gotten more power and a faster car if I wanted to, but I wanted more for my money. Who cares if your "sports coupe" is fast in a straight line, but handles like an SUV in the twistys. Thats like having a hot wife that you can only look at, but not touch. The Z is an agile wide receiver, while the Mustang is a 450lb (arguably 500lb) linebacker.

That being said. The new 5.0 GT is very, very impressive. It looks the same as the 2010 GT (everyone who bought that got screwed), and it does have some eye popping numbers. The Brembo brake package is really great, as well with an aluminum block(finally, welcome to 2010 Ford). But the only Mustang that I would ever look at is the 2013 model, which is rumored to actually have an independent rear axle. This will actually make the Stang handle decently.

So to the OP here is the verdict:

Mustang for street(cocktail party talk - probably more like frat party talk)
Z for all around performance (Back/side street weapon - After Stillen S/C it will be faster than Stang anyways.)

The problem with mustangs is that they seem to be swarming like gnats around here this time of year. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one.

We're talking Magazine numbers. The average driver will not run a 12.8.

Please don't overlook the fact that the test vehicle had the 3.73 gear option, which helps with low end power delivery which as we all know helps a lot in the quarter mile. Without that option I don't think this test car would have run lower than 13 seconds.

Someone here already said it, there will ALWAYS be a more powerful/faster car. It took me three cars to realize that before I decided on a car I just truly love; the history of it, the exterior styling, the interior styling, the potential of the aftermarket, the presence of it, and the driving characteristics of it. That car is the 370Z. I love it and I think I am good!

That said, the new Stang is stunning! Love the return of the 302!!!! I used to be a Stang man and ALWAYS still pull for them. I cannot wait to see this thing on the race tracks and their owners doing teenage like burnouts!!

*And this new Stang (stock) still will not be faster than my old 02 Stang with the Kenne Bell Supercharger putting down 562 HP and 602 Pound feet on the dyno!! My old man has that beast now....

KB FTMFW!

I always wanted to put one on my 03.

the 5.0 is sick...but the car is so played out that its undesirable for me..heck even the 725+ hp super snake lost to the Z's older brother..the 485hp GT-R in the 1/4 mile

The Shelby's are a joke, and that's coming from somebody who loves Mustangs.

Very well said bro, case closed if you ask me, but I'll add 1 thing. Up intill now failure*, oh I mean ford has been selling customers a sorry excuse for a V8 for years, and that goes for most special edition mustangs as well aka. Roush. To the OP, Argue if you want, but the only ford I'd ever consider buying would be 1 with a shelby name on it like the new gt350. Other then that just go with the 370Z, you'll never regret it. It's a great platform to start modding, and IMO it just might be the ultimate car in every catagory.

Mustangs are nausiatingly, overbearingly common. I wouldn't use the word exclusive for the 370z just because its a generational changeover. If the silvia came back from its 12 year death? That would have exclusivity to it. The camaro should be an exclusive car but in 11 months GM has been able to sell enough that I see 3 or 4 a day in dfw. Horrible!!! I was in a mustang @ the dallas auto show and honestly. There isn't one thing about the interior of a mustang I like. Even with the 2010 refresh its outdated. That glass roof... its like puttin' a diamond ring on a fat-ugly chic. Nice ring but she still fat and ugly.
One other thing... don't get too impressed with that .94g. Its not gonna happen in real world driving. The mustang will only see those numbers on a track or a brand new near perfect highway. On the street, the live axle loses traction everywhere. I love how car mags decieve people to keep outdated musclecar tech vibrant and selling.
At least in the Z you know its lateral acceleration was designed also for street use, unlike the mustang. So in summary, a street race against the stang? The stang will lose due to its cheap (track bias) live axle. If u r stuck on v8 power? Get a used vette. all that needs is a upgraded suspension set up for better cornering and you are straight with a corvette.
Muscle cars are the #1 sports cars because of false patriotic pride, not better overal performance. If u plan on driving in a str8 line for the rest of your life? Then buy a mustang. In the end though. The choice is yours. :)

There are not enough facepalm emoticons to describe the failure I have just read.

Lol here let me do it for you:facepalm: Courtesy to captain Picard.

:iagree:

the 370z would be a samurai sword, the Mustang would be a very large cleaver. Sure it's fast in a straight line, but unless you're looking to dominate the expressway I don't think it's really great for real world driving experiences. I love the torque of Mustangs, but it's a 1 dimensional car, lots of power and torque, inferior handling, and compared to the Z inferior exterior and interior build quality. I wouldn't give my Z up for a Mustang and I'm someone whose first 2 cars were both Stangs.

do a little research :tiphat:

1967 mustang interior

http://content.dealerconnection.com/...g_Interior.JPG

2005-2009 mustang interior (first of the retro mustang modeled of 60's mustangs) ...Hint notice the dual big face gauges and dash line!
http://image.motortrend.com/f/849573...erior_View.jpg

2010-2011+ a more modernized approach to the retro design (again there is a theme of the big dual gauges and the dashline which is all a bit more subtle also notice the center console area pretty similar shapes as well.
http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/1...g+interior.jpg

some eye opening numbers

The 2010 Mustang pulled .93 G's and slalomed at 69.3 MPH for Road and Track. I assume the 2011 will at least match these numbers. Not quite Z numbers but damn close far far better than other US manufactures. If you think you are gonna run away from a mustang in the corners, you're gonna be surpised. If you thing the 'stang can't handle, you're judging from the past, not what's selling now. Mustangs have quitely become much better overall sportscars whilst the Camaro and Challenger was getting all the "gee golly" press.

Rednek, I must have misread Matt's post. I didn't see similarities between the current S197's interior and that of the old Fox's, which is what I thought he was referring to. The similarities between the current S197 and the 60's era are obvious. I had an '06 GT.

So you agree with my coworkers when they felt the interior of the 2011 looked antiquated and ugly? :tiphat:

Oh ok gotcha! haha I was like you gotta either not know your cars or be blind to not see the resemblance! The fox body era or 79-93 mustangs have very very minor cues to the mustang look I have to admit I owned one and loved it and was stupid to sell it, but its an ugly car if you aren't a mustang lover.