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-   -   2011 Mustang GT... I think I need to re-think my next car (http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discussions/16799-2011-mustang-gt-i-think-i-need-re-think-my-next-car.html)

vipor 03-31-2010 08:25 AM
:bowrofl::bowrofl:

:drama:

All I know is when I was at my HPDE and a Mustang got on the track, everyone was just wondering when it was going to see the dirt. Didn't take long. I think it happened almost every session :rofl2:

EDIT: The 2 65's that were there were not the ones being talked about.

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 474056)
Hey, look! Our favorite misinformed domestic basher has arrived!

Weird, I thought comparing two $30000 cars next to each other was a valid comparison, but apparently, only the V6 version of the GT...a solid $8000 less (more than likely) than the 370Z is only good enough for you.

Look, you're out of your league with mechanical knowledge, and you talk out of your *** in ALL of these conversations - please, spare us from yet another horrible read-a-thon that involves you?
if dont like what i have to say, you don't have to read it, you can go back to shoving your head up your arse.
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You can't park within two spaces of the guy without him getting all upset about how you parked your hoopty too close to his F1-inspired 370Z.
I can't wait for the day someone parks a rustbucket right next to your car in an EMPTY parking lot and kicks the door open, leaving a nice juicy scratch on your car, only for you to come to this forum and whine about it, just so i can bitchslap ur arse. now :gtfo2: and go back to your rathole

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Except for making the Mustang into a track-able machine. That, however, is impossible. Dont even think about it. DURRRRR HURP DURP. IM PHARMACIST. DUR DEE DURP
wow, you're dripping with IQ right there :rolleyes: anything can be made to be trackable even a camry with enough money. what's your point?

Z eliminator 03-31-2010 08:44 AM
We will see what happens at the drag strip this summer. Im sure that i will give the stang a run for its money.

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy (Post 473961)
I don't think you are Mustang bashing...however I can say that what some folks believe is based on a lack of information about the suspension and steering configurations of Mustangs between various 2005 and 2010 models.

The Shelby GT500 did not have the same rear end suspension and steering configuration as the Roush did. In fact the Roush Mustang had the identical rear end suspension and steering configuration as the 2007 and 2008 Shelby GT (which is not the GT500). And it was the Roush Mustang with the identical 2007 and 2008 Shelby GT (not GT500) suspension and steering configuration that did indeed out-handle the 370Z on the worst curve on a special head-to-head slalom course test performed in Great Britain last summer of 2009 which was caught on video (and later used by Roush as a promotion) and I believe presented on the Roush site (and YouTube) at one time. I think it is the test you noted in your Wiki reference.

The most interesting thing about the video is that the driver of the various cars was at one time in the past an original muscle-era GT500 owner and thought the new GT500's being much better designed that the original GT500's would dominate the newly introduced 370Z. Instead the 2007/08 GT500 was dominated by the 370Z in all the runs. The 2007 GT500 just could NOT hold the curves of the track and failed miserably. However, once this proved to be the case the man put the 370Z against the Roush Mustang 427R thinking the same would happen. And to his surprise he found that the Roush repeatedly came very close to beating the 370Z in the slalom course. The difference between the 2007 GT500 and the Roush was that the Roush had the same steering and suspension as the Shelby GT (not the GT500).

It wasn't until 2010 that the Shelby GT500 was given the same suspension and steering configuration as the Shelby GT (and Roush Mustang). Also the Ford production 2010 Mustang GT is the first time the regular production GT ever received this same Shelby GT suspension and steering configuration which caused the 370Z to be nearly out-handled on the slalom course.

So your straight line thoughts may have been true for Ford production GT's and GT500's between 2005 and 2009 but it is no longer a thought or reason that can just be so leisurely assumed any more. I'd like to see the test against the 370Z redone now that the 2010 Shelby GT500 has the same suspension as the Shelby GT and Roush.
i cant find said video of the roush so if you can link it that would be great. but what you say does seem to make sense. i do remember the top gear episode the gt500 was spinning all over the place while the roush was a lot more stable in cornering and handling and was actually faster despite the power disadvantage.

edit: found this vid http://www.motortrend.com/av/roadtes...deo/index.html

numbers on paper, not the same as the z but still pretty close. still a lot of money just to make the mustang handle decently.

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 08:49 AM
E bitch slap me all you want, but you were parked on the line and therefore had no right to complain. If I get hit while parked centrally in my space, I can complain all I want!

Red370 03-31-2010 08:51 AM
oh man, this is starting to look like the 350 forums, not good, not good at all...:shakes head:

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 474216)
e bitch slap me all you want, but you were parked on the line and therefore had no right to complain. If i get hit while parked centrally in my space, i can complain all i want!
Attachment 8761

there you go, i wasn't on the line. now:gtfo2:

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 09:24 AM
You were still off center!

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 474259)
You were still off center!
big friggin deal! why couldn't he just park a couple of spots away especially since the entire damn lot was empty. it's like taking a piss in a urinal when another guy comes in, and there are over a dozen unoccupied urinals, but no he just has to use the urinal right next to you and rub shoulders with you. now enough with this off topic spam

vipor 03-31-2010 09:33 AM
http://derekwalden.com/images/blog/urinalquiz2.gif

vipor 03-31-2010 09:34 AM
http://www.esoterically.net/images/urinal.jpg

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 09:34 AM
maybe he thought you would appreciate him making your car look better by comparison? Maybe his ancient Ford suspension was sooo inadequate that he really meant to park three spots over but ended up next to you?

Bottom line - he obviously didn't damage your car. There's plenty of space between you two even with your lousy parking. If he dinged your car I would totally understand with you being ticked off, but he didn't, so no harm no foul. Owning a Z doesn't give you the right to own the surrounding parking spaces.

And unless you sit in your car with your member exposed you can't compare this to a violation of the urinal code.

vipor 03-31-2010 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 474270)
And unless you sit in your car with your member exposed you can't compare this to a violation of the urinal code.
.....and if you do?

Zsteve 03-31-2010 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 474267)
Atleast #2 didnt turn his whole body towards #1 to talk to him and piss all over him.

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 09:37 AM
Tell the guy the urinal code is in effect. He'll move.

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 474278)
.....and if you do?

Zsteve 03-31-2010 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 474278)
.....and if you do?
the guy in the other car will either park away from you or get in the passenger seat and lower his head........

vipor 03-31-2010 09:39 AM
Or you have a standoff!

http://perfectseb.free.fr/spaceballs.jpg

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 09:41 AM
lol at vipor! yep that's true! and it just freaks me out when they LOOK! doesn't happen often but it's just creepy when they do look.

vipor 03-31-2010 09:42 AM
Yeah don't look at me weird just cuz I'm fapping to the billboard while driving to work!

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 474288)
lol, i guess that's what happens when two guys gotta go and there's only one urinal

Endgame 03-31-2010 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSnakeJake (Post 474156)
this is a ridiculous statement. :shakes head:

the new mustang is badass. i will likely buy one when i get bored with my Z, which usually takes about 2 years for me...
Dude.. if you do WAIT for the 302 Boss or Mach1 variant!! They will be oh so hard core!!

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 474294)
lol at vipor! yep that's true! and it just freaks me out when they LOOK! doesn't happen often but it's just creepy when they do look.
I hate the talkers. Especially if you are taking a dump. Its like, "dude, I don't want to talk while **** is coming out of my ***."

E-Licious 03-31-2010 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 474321)
I hate the talkers. Especially if you are taking a dump. Its like, "dude, I don't want to talk while **** is coming out of my ***."
Yeah, and if you're taking a dump in the urinal you'd think people would have the common courtesy not to speak to you.

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by E-Licious (Post 474335)
Yeah, and if you're taking a dump in the urinal you'd think people would have the common courtesy not to speak to you.
Usually they turn around and walk out!

sk8geezer 03-31-2010 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 474211)
We will see what happens at the drag strip this summer. Im sure that i will give the stang a run for its money.
I am sick oh hearing about the 2011 Mustang. You are running just as fast with some mods. End of story.

Zsteve 03-31-2010 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sk8geezer (Post 474361)
I am sick oh hearing about the 2011 Mustang. You are running just as fast with some mods. End of story.
Yes but if they do the same mods then you are back to the original gap. When you compare one car to another you have to do so evenly, either stock for stock or mod for mod. If I put 10k into my car then it better be faster than the stang, but if he does the same 10k then he is back to being faster. Gotta compare apples to apples, or light sabres to light sabres if in the urinal.

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 474391)
Yes but if they do the same mods then you are back to the original gap. When you compare one car to another you have to do so evenly, either stock for stock or mod for mod. If I put 10k into my car then it better be faster than the stang, but if he does the same 10k then he is back to being faster. Gotta compare apples to apples, or light sabres to light sabres if in the urinal.
if it's about apples to apples, why compare the v8 5 litre mustang to a v6 3.7l z?the more appropriate comparison will be to the v6 mustang which is still slower.

LiquidZ 03-31-2010 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 474397)
if it's about apples to apples, why compare the v8 5 litre mustang to a v6 3.7l z?the more appropriate comparison will be to the v6 mustang which is still slower.
Price is the great equalizer.

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 474399)
Price is the great equalizer.
but you sacrifice a lot in the mustang to get a v8 at that price. you get less build quality, crappy interior, a dull exterior look, a heavy body, somewhat unrefined suspension, outdated design. obviously ford had to cut a lot of corners to offer the v8 mustang at that price. basically you get an above average engine and a below average everything else. if someone likes that compromise, good for them. i personally won't be scrambling to a ford dealer anytime soon. perhaps the next gen mustang if it comes with irs, track tuned suspension, smaller body, less weight and preferably an upgraded interior it might be an option. (though in all likelihood i would have enough money by then to get a gt-r)

theDreamer 03-31-2010 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 474417)
but you sacrifice a lot in the mustang to get a v8 at that price. you get less build quality, crappy interior, a dull exterior look, a heavy body, somewhat unrefined suspension, outdated design. obviously ford had to cut a lot of corners to offer the v8 mustang at that price. basically you get an above average engine and a below average everything else. if someone likes that compromise, good for them. i personally won't be scrambling to a ford dealer anytime soon. perhaps the next gen mustang if it comes with irs, track tuned suspension, smaller body, less weight and preferably an upgraded interior it might be an option. (though in all likelihood i would have enough money by then to get a gt-r)
:facepalm:
Have you not read any of the specs of the new Mustang?
~Weights 3600lbs (smaller body could lessen this but Ford is sticking with this style for now)
~It comes standard with the once track package which is the sport suspension setup
~Interior is an upgrade from the previous generation, look at it like the 350 to 370. It was an upgrade but there are still faults in the 370 interior, maybe less than the Mustang but the materials used are almost no different than any 30-40k car now. I think you people are confusing style choices with material choices which are two separate topics.
~They stiffened the frame up, not sure where the picture is but they added what is equal to the Nismo body damper upgrades to the base V8 Mustang to stiffen it all around.

Most of your arguments seem to be style issues which are very valid (I am not 100% on the current Mustang style), but all your arguments of performance, material, body, etc. are all wrong which is because you are blinded by your hate just the Mustang in general. Spend a few minutes and actually read the reviews and specs and you will see the upgrades.

Lug 03-31-2010 11:13 AM
Another thing for modders to take into account is engine potential. The 5 liter can generally be pushed a lot further w/o having to go to a built block (at least this was true with the 4.6l).

LiquidZ 03-31-2010 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Lug (Post 474440)
Another thing to take into account is engine potential. The 5 liter can generally be pushed a lot further w/o having to go to a built block (at least this was true with the 4.6l).
Through general reading, I have read that the stock 5.0 will be less boost friendly than the outgoing 4.6. The compression ratio is the obvious issue. I'm sure Ford will have a dealer installed Whipple supercharger available for it. That should give the public a general idea of what Ford considers safe for those engines.

If FI is not your bag, I feel these engines would respond to standard bolt ons very well. Only time will tell.

sk8geezer 03-31-2010 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 474391)
Yes but if they do the same mods then you are back to the original gap. When you compare one car to another you have to do so evenly, either stock for stock or mod for mod. If I put 10k into my car then it better be faster than the stang, but if he does the same 10k then he is back to being faster. Gotta compare apples to apples, or light sabres to light sabres if in the urinal.
Then we compare the 2010 Mustang to the 2010 370z, and the Z is still faster. :happydance:

WICKED_GRIN 03-31-2010 11:37 AM
more food for thought.....or fuel for the fire.....enjoy


Review: 2011 Ford Mustang GT | The Truth About Cars

Zsteve 03-31-2010 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sk8geezer (Post 474489)
Then we compare the 2010 Mustang to the 2010 370z, and the Z is still faster. :happydance:
faster is nice but for me the real decision is the looks inside and out. The stang by design is bland to me inside and out. I like the new high tech looking insides and the exterior of the Z is way cool. They should have changed the body style and interioe of the 2011 stang to make it more modern. Retro interiors are out. If Nissan ever makes a V8 Z then it will have tons of power but they probably wont cuz it would enter the GTRs area.

LiquidZ 03-31-2010 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by WICKED_GRIN (Post 474500)
more food for thought.....or fuel for the fire.....enjoy


Review: 2011 Ford Mustang GT | The Truth About Cars
Kona Blue is my favorite color for the Mustang. Gorgeous.

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 474527)
Kona Blue is my favorite color for the Mustang. Gorgeous.
+1 Wish I could have that color on the Z.

m4a1mustang 03-31-2010 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WICKED_GRIN (Post 474500)
more food for thought.....or fuel for the fire.....enjoy


Review: 2011 Ford Mustang GT | The Truth About Cars
Good read. The people that bash this car have never driven one in anger.

WICKED_GRIN 03-31-2010 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 474539)
Good read. The people that bash this car have never driven one in anger.




I hope a friend buys one so we can swap cars for a day!

Pharmacist 03-31-2010 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 474515)
faster is nice but for me the real decision is the looks inside and out. The stang by design is bland to me inside and out. I like the new high tech looking insides and the exterior of the Z is way cool. They should have changed the body style and interioe of the 2011 stang to make it more modern. Retro interiors are out. If Nissan ever makes a V8 Z then it will have tons of power but they probably wont cuz it would enter the GTRs area.
won't happen unfortunately. but hey maybe nissan can drop the v8 into the gt-r and give us instead a slightly detuned version of the current gtr turbo v6. then we can go hunting m3 and 911 carrera :yum::driving: mustang what?


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