Starting in second gear.

ayrton88 · 03-30-2013, 04:42 PM

Clutches are way too expensive to start in 2nd as far as I'm concerned. I always use 1st. This isn't a truck.

forza370z · 03-30-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777

You must rev up to match the gear speed. I personaly dont start in second, because by doing that you will deminish the life of your clitch. What i did is put redline tranny fluid and it made it possible to go in to the 1 st gear, exept when its cold like below zero yeah it dosent go in every time at 5 mph. Allthough i allways rev match to 1 gear and it goes in every time, and i dont think that gear is too short, and ye i aggree it could be a lil longer so u guys quit complaining.

Haha yes! Lol...

And yeah, I don't rev match since I turned on the SyncroRev Match. But your right, next time I will rev match when I downshift to the 1st.

Jsolo · 03-30-2013, 05:08 PM

2nd is useful to take off from a stand still in snow with crappy tires. With winter tires, no issues starting off in 1st, even in packed/deep snow (within reason).

alvitdk · 03-30-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 122554

What the hell is a Porsche 428S4?

Or do you mean 928?

haha, indeed not 428 but 928.

Was introduced in 1987, at least in Germany were I was living at that time, not sure about the US, basically a 928 with some upgrades, not AWD as some people think:

1987
Model designation: 928 S4
Weight: 1590 kg (3500 lb)
Engine displacement: 5.0 L
Valves: 32
Power: 320 PS (316 hp, 236 kW) / 300 PS (296 hp, 221 kW) for Australia.
Changes:
Different style pistons, cylinder heads, camshafts, intake and larger intake valves compared to earlier 5.0 L engines.
Nominal static compression ratio 10.0:1 (True ratio between 9.4:1 and 10.0:1, depending on parts used).
Cylinder head studs used in all earlier engines replaces with bolts making it easier to remove heads while engine is in engine bay.
Updated LH-Jetronic injection and ignition changed to EZK system, two knock sensors added to engine. Single disk clutch on manual transmission cars, larger torque converter on automatics.
Modified front brake calipers into use with 2 mm diameter increase for large piston. Cars sold to U.S., Canada, Australia and Arabic countries got new parts once remaining old design caliper stock was used up.
New style front & rear bumpers and rear wing spoiler.
Redesigned front and rear bumper light assemblies.
Body changed compared to earlier models to accommodate larger rear lamps, rear seat area modified to give room for new torque converter.
Upwards folding rear spoiler and piston oil squirters in engine block on early cars only.
Different horsepower rating for Australia due to different ignition map used because of possible low grade fuel.

cossie1600 · 03-30-2013, 10:42 PM

Try doing a clutch dump in 2nd, you will learn not to start in 2nd again....

mhcoss · 03-30-2013, 11:30 PM

start in second only if your on a steep incline going down or already coasting

alvitdk · 03-31-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Try doing a clutch dump in 2nd, you will learn not to start in 2nd again....

Why should I do such a silly thing. It is not about learning anything, I do know how to start in 1st, not my first manual. Just dislike the short first gear and was "wondering" if it's just me, apparently not, but thanks for the suggestion on not to dump the first.

cossie1600 · 03-31-2013, 11:11 AM

You will smell your answer

Push370zzz · 09-10-2014, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Viera

This is probably a really newb question, but I often find myself (99% of the time) drive the car from a stop, starting in 2nd gear. Does anyone else do it? Is it "bad" to do this?

I know what you mean...I prefer to do this as long as I am not on any kind of incline. The 1st - 2nd shift happens so quickly that it's a bit frustrating, especially since it is so jerky. I am able to get my clutch out about as quickly as I could in 1st so I do not personally see a reason why this is that bad. I would expect this to wear out the clutch quicker (as opposed to slower or the same), but if you are doing it properly the extra wear should be marginal.

kenchan · 09-10-2014, 10:24 AM

Ha?

use first gear unless rolling..

Bad Boy · 09-10-2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

For me, first gear is perfect for cruising speed around a neighborhood with kids or parking lots

Why are so many people scared of 1st gear in this car?

I always use first gear for parking lots, but not for cruising, the engine makes to much noise after 2.5K RPMs in 1st. Like wining or something.

Haboob · 09-10-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Push370zzz

I know what you mean...I prefer to do this as long as I am not on any kind of incline. The 1st - 2nd shift happens so quickly that it's a bit frustrating, especially since it is so jerky. I am able to get my clutch out about as quickly as I could in 1st so I do not personally see a reason why this is that bad. I would expect this to wear out the clutch quicker (as opposed to slower or the same), but if you are doing it properly the extra wear should be marginal.

Huh? My 1-2 shifts are pretty smooth, unless I'm wrapping it out in the beginning of some spirited driving.

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Originally Posted by kenchan

Ha?

use first gear unless rolling..

This...

Mitco39 · 09-10-2014, 03:10 PM

Launching in 2nd...

I stopped shortly after I did this... and this was on a upgraded clutch. The stock one has no chance.

Push370zzz · 09-10-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39

Launching in 2nd...

I stopped shortly after I did this... and this was on a upgraded clutch. The stock one has no chance.

When you say launching, I assume you mean "launching" and not "starting off in". Unless you are turbo'd, I cannot imagine why you would start off in anything other than first for quickest acceleration.

aszyd · 09-10-2014, 07:22 PM

I did second gear starts for the first week of ownership on my '09. I had just come from a 4 Cyl Accord 5 Speed and the Z clutch took a while to get used to. I just couldn't get smooth starts right. It's like second nature now, even taking a couple years off between cars. I am not sure why people complain about the clutch so much. Give it time and you will adjust.

You want a fun clutch, try a Termi Cobra. It's a cable clutch (no hydraulics) and not meant for sissies.

03-30-2013, 04:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
ayrton88 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 397 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 14	Clutches are way too expensive to start in 2nd as far as I'm concerned. I always use 1st. This isn't a truck. JARblue likes this.

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Jsolo Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: chicago Posts: 783 Drives: '12 G37 6MT Rep Power: 14	2nd is useful to take off from a stand still in snow with crappy tires. With winter tires, no issues starting off in 1st, even in packed/deep snow (within reason). __________________ G37S Sedan 6MT, Eibach swaybars, Invidia Exhaust, Weaker Clutch Pedal Spring For sale links

03-30-2013, 11:30 PM	#21 (permalink)
mhcoss Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Edmonton Posts: 520 Drives: 2012 370Z SPORT M/T Rep Power: 14	start in second only if your on a steep incline going down or already coasting Motionmagic likes this.

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 29	You will smell your answer Smashley likes this.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	Ha? use first gear unless rolling.. Haboob and Motionmagic like this.

03-30-2013, 10:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 29	Try doing a clutch dump in 2nd, you will learn not to start in 2nd again....

09-10-2014, 03:10 PM	#28 (permalink)
Mitco39 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada Posts: 2,089 Drives: 40th 370z Rep Power: 131	Launching in 2nd... I stopped shortly after I did this... and this was on a upgraded clutch. The stock one has no chance. __________________ 2007 Chevy Duramax - EFILive Tuned By Me 2010 40th W/ Nav - Boosted Performance - UpRev Tuned By Me The Mrs. Ride -2012 335XI N55 BMW - Cobb Tuned By Me, Built by her My Build --> http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...39s-build.html

09-10-2014, 07:22 PM	#30 (permalink)
aszyd Track Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 877 Drives: Magma Red 370z T+S Rep Power: 20	I did second gear starts for the first week of ownership on my '09. I had just come from a 4 Cyl Accord 5 Speed and the Z clutch took a while to get used to. I just couldn't get smooth starts right. It's like second nature now, even taking a couple years off between cars. I am not sure why people complain about the clutch so much. Give it time and you will adjust. You want a fun clutch, try a Termi Cobra. It's a cable clutch (no hydraulics) and not meant for sissies. __________________ Competition Clutch\|Fast Intentions\|Maxbore\|NST\|Setrab\|Stillen\|Tomei\|Uprev\| Z1 Avant Garde\|SPC\|Stance\|Whiteline Aerojacket\|Seibon\|Tanabe\|TRS\|TWM

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