there are pigs in canada too. they're not just an american invention. oh well, one more reason to stay away from nyc. good to see we still have some semblance of constitution and human rights here in canada.

I am shocked to hear you say that after I said even cops get tickets. You know being you are a police hater and all I would imagine you would love that cops get **** here also.

The fact is you shouldnt be able to get out of a ticket no matter who you are. The limit is the limit. If you are doing 46 in a 45, yes you are speeding and can get a ticket for it. Dont hate on the people who enforce the laws because the fact is when it really matters you will be calling them to save your ***.

Yeah dude, I am one of those who also say just because you wear a badge doesnt mean you can break the law... You enforce it. The only time you can break the law as an officer IMO is if it will save someones life so I dont wanna hear it :D

How about you put your talent and education to use, instead of looking to troll any and every badge, any and every chance you get? I mean, its obvious that you have a brain. You've made plenty of intelligent and thoughtful posts. Its a shame that the rest of the time, this is how you choose to expend your energy. We get it. You hate cops. You've made that abundantly, almost flippantly clear, at every conceivable opportunity. You don't believe a single one of them is worth the flesh they walk around in. But you seem to be the only one here with such outrageous hatred of them. And I'll state again that not every one of them, contrary to your seemingly all-knowing and therefore only valid opinion, are corrupt or wicked. Only the ones that make the news.

So I'll ask you as kindly and politely as I know how, because I just got done working a hell of a day with those so-called pigs, and with the start of the nicest weather we've had here in months, and some of the lousiest calls that came out as a result...those "pigs" worked their ever loving asses off today, with little to no gratitude, because all too many people share your same view until it becomes their time in the hot seat. Please and kindly...if you must bash on them. Do it more respectfully. If you can't find a way to do that with the brain I've seen you possess...then you are clearly trolling and flame-baiting folks like Blue and I.

the point is not to see other cops get tickets, even though karma is a b!tch and it's good to see them taste their own medicine. the point is that they cost a lot of tax money to train and earn a lot of taxpayer funded salary, so they should be used for something that actually benefits society and gives them a return on investment. like fighting actual crime not to harass and inconvenience innocent people because of a little bit of speed.

as for those speed limits they are outdated and full of BS and you know it. they haven't been modernized in decades! it's nothing more than a money making business for the city, just to raise revenue for themselves. a whole industry designed just to fleece innocent people. all for money, money for the city, money for the courts, money for the paralegals that motorists hire to defend them, and even more money for the cops to cover their overtime pay for going to court. case in point, last year some low level constable with traffic enforcement over here was able to double his base salary from 80 to 160k in the year by racking up tons of overtime going to court dates. parking enforcement is also a similar scam. that too is all about fleecing people, and not facilitating parking.

as for the last part, maybe that's your attitude, but don't try and claim that other cops are like that. and don't try to convince me that many cops don't often wink wink nudge nudge when their off duty colleagues speed, run stop signs and red lights, violate traffic laws, etc....

I have to interject here, and I'm sure Blue will too. If you've seen the kind of accidents, many of them fatal, caused by "a little bit of speed", you might reconsider. Then again, you probably wouldn't. The facts, since you like to play with those, show that speed enforcement does in fact save lives. It just so happens to generate revenue as well. Yes, its an inconvenience and a trifle for those who are pulled over between 1-5 mph over. That's irrelevant. Even if an accident isn't fatal, it can cause lasting damage all the same.

It is true that accidents will be caused by going the limit or going under as well; hence the term accident. But negligently speeding simply increased the odds. Outdated speed limits or not...if the majority of traffic is going the limit, and the at-fault is not...it doesn't matter how out-dated the speed limit is. He's still at-fault, and he was still speeding.

Read this and stopped. Come to NYC and you will learn they got better things to worry about than speedin lol.

Finally...from the rules of the forums themselves...

Kindly learn to rephrase your views.

Intersting.......Too bad we quoted him before he could edit

Lol, a true pity indeed, sir

Maybe I should edit my above post to "when you get back" since this thread alone has multiple violations within it

ibtl and ownage from AK

Hey... +rep for being a badge :)

that doesn't change the fact that they get paid a lot of money from the taxes that citizens pay, so they should be used to do something that benefits society back, instead of running that speed enforcement scam on behalf of the city. additionally, they should try and be a bit courteous and respectful to other citizens and not always be rude arrogant and obnoxious. they should remember where their paycheck comes from. lastly they need to tone it down with this whole violence and brutality thing, this whole thing about beating up and roughing up people or tasing them. they should keep in mind that they are only entitled to use violence when absolutely necessary and only the minimum required to restrain an individual. not to go out and beat up/tase people at will whenever they feel like it.

if cops fix those 3 things i mentioned, i wouldn't have a problem with them. but they won't of course. so that's why i'm not too fond of them. and yeah, i know, some cops are mother teresa in a blue uniform, but a great many are not. actually based on public perception of cops, it's safe to conclude that the majority of them are in the not so mother teresa group.

Like I said....Come to New York and see half the **** these guys go through. You will see it in a WHOLE different way. I'll drop you off in the South Bronx.

show evidence of that. any statistics or any studies or any expert opinion by engineers or any actual examples that show that speed enforcement reduces accidents or saves lives, or that accidents happen as a result of the sole reason that a driver was slightly speeding, absent any other mitigating factors like distracted driving, talking on a cell phone, drunk, failing to obey red lights, mechanical failure of the car, etc....

edit: and while we're at it, explain to me why is it that all the speed traps i see are:
- during the day when speeding is safer, not at night when speeding is more dangerous,
- when the sun is shining and the roads are dry and speeding is safer, not when it's foggy or raining or snowing when speeding is more dangerous
- when its a weekend or holiday when streets are empty and speeding is safer, not during rush hour when streets are crowded and speeding is more dangerous
- in wider more open sections of the roads where speeding is safer, and not in the narrower tigher sections where speeding is more dangerous

Basically, why is it that speed traps are set up where speeding is more likely, not where speeding is more dangerous

Are you retarded?

Pharmacist you have been reported, and will be dealt with accordingly....
Smart Guy!!

It's true. Cops get paid decently. Some would even argue not enough for the violence that some cities display. I have absolutely no idea what life in Canada is like, and to be honest I haven't got the energy to check right now, so I don't dare pontificate on what you and your cops face. I have no idea how your officers are used in your neck of the woods.

Down here, in this state and I suspect many other stations throughout the US, in each precinct you've got ward officers, assigned to handle various portions of their own little slice of the city. Some of those officers do nothing but answer calls. Another portion of those are what you may call task force; e.g. drug raids, warrant pick-ups, fugitive hunts, etc. Maybe this is what you would consider the returned investment. Lord knows simple domestics get redundant. Finally, a much, much smaller (and I do much much smaller) section of officers do nothing but check radar. There's nothing else for them to do. Calls are being handled. Raids are being carried out. The officer must do something. He either patrols the streets (I'm sure this pleases the average citizen) or he looks for traffic violations.

You might be astounded to discover how many American criminals will ride around speeding or driving in an otherwise reckless manner. An amazing number of fugitives are caught doing nothing more than breaking the speed limit. Traffic stops are kinda good at that, too. Wouldn't you like to get a criminal off the street, by any means necessary? Look at the sheer amount of Spike clips showing fugitives being apprehended on traffic stops, and you see what I mean. In short: traffic stops are for far more than speeding, and it could even be argued they themselves are a full return of investment.

As to your additional points, I agree. A fair amount of officers let it go to their heads. What can ya do? You instigate him, and you only add to your charges. Yeah, you can fight 'em in court, but at the point of initiation, he's got the upper hand and your not going to change that by pissing him off. It may not be right, but that's the fact. A lot of others are hard-working family men and women like you or I, who happen to carry a badge and a gun. Its like calling all movie theater employees ******** cuz the one kicked you out after catching you sneaking in food. (Maybe thats a local thing, I dunno if Canadians are allowed to bring in outside food). Maybe a bad analogy :p

Finally, I really don't know of very many extraneous abuses of taser power. The only ones I see are the ones who wind up on CNN, and at least in the case of the old lady who was tased...well, she refused a directive to stay put so the officer could check her, and wandered back to her vehicle where who knows what was waiting. Officers have been killed that way. It was a hard judgement call, but he made it. As far as anything else...well, lets see. Nightstick abuse? Check out Rodney King and what happened to his officers. And don't let an officer discharge his weapon for anything other than a legitimate reason. There goes the career, and likely every dollar he'll ever make. Even if it's ruled a justified shooting, the chances of a lawsuit are still great.

and why do i care what happens in nyc or russia or the planet venus? i only care about the situation in my country because that's where i live. i'm sure cops in nyc are on holiday compared to cops in mexico or colombia or pakistan or any such countries.

At least this much we agree on. Those drug wars are out of control.

huh? we're having a debate here, either join in or :gtfo2:

Why do you care? Because you base a population off a sample.

We all know you care because you feel the need to come back and continue your needless and ridiculous "bashing"

i believe that this Pharmacist guy is the same one that complained about someone parking next to him when the lot was empty and then got bashed back because he was the one that parked off center. correct me if im wrong

Sounds right to me

Just wanted to reiterate


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ok u make some good points. i'll address them. over here, violent crime and armed crime are very low, so cops rarely ever get shot at or killed. and yes, departments here are just like yours. they have units that deal with drugs, or gun crime, or taskforces for gangs, or prostitution, etc.... and there are also units that only do traffic enforcement. actually, since most southern ontario have their own municipal police departments, in these areas the entire provincial opp departments are practically nothing more than a speed enforcement unit on the highway.

You then mentioned that since other officers deal with crimes, the remaining ones have nothing to do but traffic enforcement. If that's the case, that means they have more cops than needed. Why not just fire some of them, and trim down the police budget? Over here in toronto, for example, even in a recession the police budget is skyrocketing. the cop salaries keep going up, in addition to bonuses and overtime, and they also keep hiring more cops and all that, despite statistics showing crime is actually going down! and of course their mafia-like police union makes sure to derail any effort to restrain the police budget.

As for criminals getting caught in speed traps, yes it happens but not that often, nor is that the purpose of speed traps. nor is it impossible to do by targeted policing (e.g. anti crime units). but hey, by all means arrest those 1 or 2 criminals, but let the remaining several hundred non-criminal motorists off with a warning

As for tasers there are all sorts of examples from the media, youtube, etc.. about them used on seniours, teenage girls, cripples in wheelchairs, etc.... and they were used in many situations where there was NO threat whatsoever to the cop's safety. we also have a notorious case here of robert dziekanski who DIED because one of your heroic cops tazed him. he was neither armed nor dangerous. just a polish immigrant who doesn't know a single english word and getting angry and agitated because he couldn't find his relatives nor communicate with the airport staff.

Something called the PBA keeps you from getting fired

Well, nothing to do may have been the wrong choice of words. Lord knows, don't let a Lt see an officer doing nothing. The point was meant to illustrate however, that without calls to go on or being included in the other tasks, there is only so much left that an officer can do. If he's caught up on reports, and his directed patrols...well, ride the neighborhoods in his ward, and look for violators. Would you rather see an officer patroling or sitting by the side of the roadway/eating a doughnut inside a Mapco?

At least in this city, if we were to fire cops...the masses would cry foul. We actually need more police on our streets; it's gotten a bit rowdy out here. Trying to keep crime under control when its determined to rise as more and more folks lose their jobs and turn to desperate measures, or people snap on (former) loved ones...or just decide today is the today and damn all the consequences. Armed robberies are freakishly common out here. If we were to downsize our police force...our already angry populace would uprise.

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careful, it's usually the cops that are stereotyped as having low iq. i ask for evidence that speed traps reduce accidents and deaths, and this is the smartest you have to say :ugh2: great, so why are you here? you're not even part of the debate! so heed your own advice and go away unless you have something relevant to the debate

no i didn't get bashed back. and i didn't bother centering the car because i was late for work, and the lot is empty anyway. not sure how is any of that relevant to this discussion?