BMW Z4M Coupe --> 370Z ??

alphaqb · 12-31-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Horseface

I think it's more to do with location than wrong vibes...

......In LA, there is no shortage of exotic cars... In fact, anything less than a Veyron goes pretty much unnoticed.

Unfortunately, people in LA look at the brand before the car. You can put a Mercedes emblem on a Genesis and the girls will drop their panties when they see it.

FricFrac · 12-31-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueR32

to be trackable, the z needs an oil cooler. oil coolers are a compromise, as it would delay the rise of oil temps to optimum, which would be an issue for me due to a very short daily commute. the z4m does not seem to have engine cooling issues at all.

so, i see it as z4m vs. 370z with oil cooler and diff cooler. i'd guess that the two cars would be a pretty close match on the track.

A common misconception or a poorly designed oil cooling system. If you are concerned about warm up times a thermal switch/valve much like the one in your cooling system keeps oil out of the cooler until it comes up to temp. Oil coolers are a good idea on any modern engine as much of the cooling is done with the oil now. The 370Z will hardly break half way on the temp gauge for engine coolant yet you'll be in limp mode with the oil overheating with track use and no cooler. An oil cooling system should be thought of as an anti-oil-overheating system rather than one that keeps the oil temperature low. Its important for your oil to be running at temperature for flow/lubrication and a proper oil cooling system will do just that.

For track use a diff cooler isn't really needed.

Supergoji · 01-01-2010, 01:13 AM

did you have the non turbo 300zx? thats why u didn't like it?

i can assure that a modded Twin turbo 300zx is a different animal. i have one and it's just destroys 350's and 370's.

take the new Z4 for a test drive. you'll like it i bet. BMW really nailed this one.
sure it's an expensive car but it's a hardtop vert which is always nice.

plus you can always JB3 it and it'll make tons of power.

between the Old Z4 M and the New 370z i think it's a tie really.

i'd keep the Z4 and do a full supersprint exhaust on it, the wheels, brakes, lsd and call it a day.

Zsteve · 01-01-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Horseface

Yeah, the new one looks nice. Even better in person. The Bangly one looks like heck with its silly diagonal line.

Actually, I've been weighing up the 370z and the new Z4. I've spent so long looking at the 370z even the new Z4 is starting to look ugly.

Uh oh...

that does look nice, I want a convertable but it has to be a hardtop one. The soft tops just take away from the cars looks for me. Z4 roadster looks nice, hows its power?

Zsteve · 01-01-2010, 10:30 AM

well I just looked it up, they will have TT V6 that only gets 300 hp and a 225 hp one. I just dont understand how they only get 300 HP out of a v6 tt? They should get that just from the V6 The TTs should give it another 100 HP IMO. A V6 TT that does 0 60 in 5 secs, hmmmmm.

BlueR32 · 01-01-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

If you are concerned about warm up times a thermal switch/valve much like the one in your cooling system keeps oil out of the cooler until it comes up to temp.

For track use a diff cooler isn't really needed.

good point on the thermostat.

i think the use (or overuse) of the viscous diff will depend on the track, but i don't think there are many track rats that are glad that the z has a viscous lsd vs a mechanical.

ebruder · 01-02-2010, 10:03 AM

Since picking up on the oil temps issues raised here, I began digging into other threads re: oil temp and coolers.

There seems to be quite a bit of concern regarding high oil temp certainly for track and also for canyon carving. There is also a a lot in a thread about oil coolers needing to be blocked off to allow oil temp to come up properly, and that a thermostat for oil coolers is a less than perfect answer.

Is there a factory fix or dealer installed Nissan cooler available that I am missing?

Otherwise this is probably a deal killer.

Thanks,

EB

MightyBobo · 01-02-2010, 10:21 AM

I dont think I'd trade Z4M for the 370 if I already owned it - not at all. I think they are great looking cars.

370Zsteve · 01-02-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Supergoji

i can assure that a modded Twin turbo 300zx is a different animal. i have one and it's just destroys 350's and 370's.

I suppose if the 300 in question has been modified to insane levels putting out massive horsepower specs, it will beat a stock 370...in a straight line, anyway.

Conversely, a modded 370 or even a 350 would just destroy a modded 300TT.

370Zsteve · 01-02-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by alphaqb

Unfortunately, people in LA look at the brand before the car. You can put a Mercedes emblem on a Genesis and the girls will drop their panties when they see it.

I'll have to try that with the wife's SUV, should give her something to talk about at the next bridge game.

meldazii · 03-01-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

well I just looked it up, they will have TT V6 that only gets 300 hp and a 225 hp one. I just dont understand how they only get 300 HP out of a v6 tt? They should get that just from the V6 The TTs should give it another 100 HP IMO. A V6 TT that does 0 60 in 5 secs, hmmmmm.

the tt v6 has 250 hp.
the 2010 z4 has 300hp and is twin turbo
ive driven the z4mc and a 09 370z the z4m with proper tires(not the conties) is a truly unbelieveable car in the bends, so to is the 370 but the better m diff in the z dose a better job, both are realy great cars and the z4m is faster but not by much. i will be picking my z4mc up within the next month. my vote is for the z4m but to everyone there own...

WICKED_GRIN · 03-01-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by meldazii

the tt v6 has 250 hp.
the 2010 z4 has 300hp and is twin turbo
ive driven the z4mc and a 09 370z the z4m with proper tires(not the conties) is a truly unbelieveable car in the bends, so to is the 370 but the better m diff in the z dose a better job, both are realy great cars and the z4m is faster but not by much. i will be picking my z4mc up within the next month. my vote is for the z4m but to everyone there own...

say what?

nextbesthing · 03-01-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WICKED_GRIN

say what?

Meldazzi I think your confusing what he means by tt...he's not talking about the V6 audi TT...but rather the 2010 v6 twin turbo z4 that puts out 300hp

Zsteve · 03-01-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nextbesthing

Meldazzi I think your confusing what he means by tt...he's not talking about the V6 audi TT...but rather the 2010 v6 twin turbo z4 that puts out 300hp

A TT that only puts out 300 hp? Man thats kinda low isnt it? Hope that can be bumped way up with a chip.

JACKPAC · 03-01-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

A TT that only puts out 300 hp? Man thats kinda low isnt it? Hope that can be bumped way up with a chip.

BMW's tt's are small and are used to add power without turbo lag (and they do a very good job at it). They are running minimal boost so not to steal all their M3 sales. Of course for a few hundred bucks you can easily increase your HP and torque to insane levels. Look up JB3, juicebox, etc... there are many.

01-01-2010, 10:30 AM	#35 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 21	well I just looked it up, they will have TT V6 that only gets 300 hp and a 225 hp one. I just dont understand how they only get 300 HP out of a v6 tt? They should get that just from the V6 The TTs should give it another 100 HP IMO. A V6 TT that does 0 60 in 5 secs, hmmmmm. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

01-02-2010, 10:03 AM	#37 (permalink)
ebruder Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Suburban Cleveland Posts: 20 Drives: Z4M Coupe 928S4 Rep Power: 15	Oil temp and oil coolers Since picking up on the oil temps issues raised here, I began digging into other threads re: oil temp and coolers. There seems to be quite a bit of concern regarding high oil temp certainly for track and also for canyon carving. There is also a a lot in a thread about oil coolers needing to be blocked off to allow oil temp to come up properly, and that a thermostat for oil coolers is a less than perfect answer. Is there a factory fix or dealer installed Nissan cooler available that I am missing? Otherwise this is probably a deal killer. Thanks, EB

01-02-2010, 10:21 AM	#38 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	I dont think I'd trade Z4M for the 370 if I already owned it - not at all. I think they are great looking cars. __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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Supergoji Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Westchester NY Age: 35 Posts: 311 Drives: Z32tt / Supra tt Rep Power: 256	did you have the non turbo 300zx? thats why u didn't like it? i can assure that a modded Twin turbo 300zx is a different animal. i have one and it's just destroys 350's and 370's. take the new Z4 for a test drive. you'll like it i bet. BMW really nailed this one. sure it's an expensive car but it's a hardtop vert which is always nice. plus you can always JB3 it and it'll make tons of power. between the Old Z4 M and the New 370z i think it's a tie really. i'd keep the Z4 and do a full supersprint exhaust on it, the wheels, brakes, lsd and call it a day.