Nismo vs Sport ?

KCZ · 09-21-2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by B&W_Evader

I considered the NISMO but the long front end scared me away from it. Figured I'd be scraping it every morning entering the company parking lot...

What's the actual difference in the front end length and approach angle between the sport and the Nismo?

axmea? · 09-22-2017, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KCZ

What's the actual difference in the front end length and approach angle between the sport and the Nismo?

Current spec difference is 3" in length between a Nismo and the sport/base and that my friends make a huge difference in

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boby370z · 09-22-2017, 10:00 AM

KCZ..,

Like Axmea said, the difference in lenght between base and Nismo model is 3 inches and in weight regarding the 2018 model
The difference is exactly of 116 pounds more for the Nismo model...this represent a huge difference.

Robert
2018 Passion red

Cranberry · 09-25-2017, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MaysEffect

I think this is the confusion. The GT4 uses cup2 tires, atleast here where i live. If the GT4 where you live comes with PSS, then i feel sorry for whoever buys it there lol. So it sounded like you were saying the pss tires is as good as the cup2 tires. And the other part about them being "mid level" race grade tires, which they are not, for whatever that means. They are very good street tires.

My original point was about how the nismo suspension can handle tires with higher traction limits. Such as an extreme or competition tires.

AH!!! sorry man, I totally misunderstood too. I thought you were comparing apples to oranges. sorry about that

xfrgtr · 09-26-2017, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Stright_Drop

There really is no debate except for the suspension that was both entertaining and informative

but UNKNOWN already gave u guys the game. Unless u just don't like both Nismo body kits u don't really have an excuse to not buy a 1 or 2nd owner Nismo for the same price of a sport. Anybody that has taken a nice corner in a base/sport and then a Nismo knows..

Threadlocker · 09-30-2017, 04:48 PM

The first Z I bought was a 1983 280zx. I drove it for 3 months before learning that a turbo model was offered as well as T-tops. That's all I wanted and the normal zx was not good enough anymore. Sure people swapped in turbo motors and modified their n/as to be better than 280zx turbos (this was in the late 90s), but a turbo t-top manual transmission seemed better. I finally found one I liked and decided that from now on, there's no point in getting anything else other than exactly what you want in a car. If you feel you like the looks of a nismo, then get the nismo. Most people will never get around to frankenstening nismo parts on their 370z, much less getting a nismo body kit on it. Don't half *** what you want.

nis350 · 09-30-2017, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Threadlocker

there's no point in getting anything else other than exactly what you want in a car. If you feel you like the looks of a nismo, then get the nismo.

markesc · 10-04-2017, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Threadlocker

The first Z I bought was a 1983 280zx. I drove it for 3 months before learning that a turbo model was offered as well as T-tops. That's all I wanted and the normal zx was not good enough anymore. Sure people swapped in turbo motors and modified their n/as to be better than 280zx turbos (this was in the late 90s), but a turbo t-top manual transmission seemed better. I finally found one I liked and decided that from now on, there's no point in getting anything else other than exactly what you want in a car. If you feel you like the looks of a nismo, then get the nismo. Most people will never get around to frankenstening nismo parts on their 370z, much less getting a nismo body kit on it. Don't half *** what you want.

Agreed!

I learned the hard way with my last car: 2007 wrx, wanted the Sti. Ended up pouring $13k into the stupid thing with multiple parts, tunes, maint, everything over 6 years. In the end, it never handled like I wanted it to, it just became nervous at the limits, and 3rd gear self destructed.

Take the higher car payment > sinking thousands in cash which could go into retirement/investment/etc...

DOOMMONKEY777 · 10-05-2017, 08:17 PM

The only difference for me btw Nismo and base+sport is the final ratio that can be compared here https://www.z1motorsports.com/upload...GearRatios.pdf

Everything else on this car is pretty much the same to me.

Eagle · 10-05-2017, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by analogman

Greetings everyone, I'm a long time hard-core gear head, but new here. Have owned 104 cars over 45 years of driving (so yes, I'm 'older'), including a couple of Z cars way back when (260Z, 280ZX), and 3 Infiniti G coupes.

I'm looking to buy a 370Z (either new or late model used, 2015-2017), and am debating between a Nismo and a Sport. I'd like to pick the brains of all of you with first-hand experience and would appreciate your thoughts.

1) Is the Nismo worth the price premium over a Sport? Whether it's new or used, it seems a Nismo is about $8,000 more than a Sport. I like the Nismo better and can afford it, but don't like to make a habit of spending money unnecessarily. On 'paper', the Sport looks to be about 90% of the Nismo. I've driven both, but would appreciate the thoughts of those that have had more seat time as to whether or not it's worth the price premium.

2) For those with Nismo's, how comfortable are the Recaro seats to live with on longer drives? I've taken a couple of test drives in a Nismo for about 20 minutes. They feel fine to me for that time, but things can be different for a multi-hour drive. The car won't be my daily driver, just a weekend fun toy, but I'd still like to be able to take it on trips.

Thanks everyone!

I don't know if this will help you at all but...from a purely objective standpoint regarding performance. There is very little difference between a nismo and a sport. I'll give you an example...check out this link to look at lap times.

Go down 26 spots and you'll see three 370z's there, Greg, me (Malko) and Tracy. Lap times are close for amateur racers, one tenth and 3 tenths of a second respectively. Greg's car is pretty well modified, BC BR coilovers on swift springs, 4.08 gears, Maxxis RC-1 tires (slicks), eibach sway bar, ecutek tuned, cold air intakes, exhaust and berk high flow cats (might be missing a few things).

At the time my car was a 7AT, nismo aero, almost dead Bridgestone RE71R's, Stillen Gen3 CAI, Berk HFC's and a Hotchkis sway bar.

Tracy had an actual nismo and I'm not sure what tires he was running at the time...but his car was fairly stock.

Of the 3 drivers, I probably had the least experience at the time, Greg had the most for sure. All I can say is, don't expect a huge difference if you get a nismo...in my opinion the cosmetics are worth it on an 09-14 nismo, not a huge fan of the 15+. Additionally I think it's more functional and produces more downforce, so some things to think about. If you like it, buy it. I bought a sport and threw on the nismo body kit and didn't stop there. If money is an issue, you could do the same...buy the cheaper model, grab a nismo kit cheap on this forum, get it color matched and throw it on. My only advice is that whatever you do, at least go with a base + sport package, touring + sport package or a nismo (has sport pkg included). The brakes, wheels and diff are worth it.

Regarding the recaro's, initial feedback I am getting from people is that they are overrated. They look nice but aren't comfortable and don't even offer enough bolstering to even be worth the discomfort.

gryghst · 10-09-2017, 12:43 PM

The question still lingers, “to Nismo or not to Nismo” that does seem to be the question? Well I am going to offer up my two cents. I have owned a 2012 Touring coupe, auto, with the sport package for about two years, I recently purchased a 2016 white pearl Nismo, auto. Yes, I auto tranny’s on both, what was going through my mind. Well, I really had no strong preference on the trans and that is what came along on both.

The 2012 coupe handled and drove extremely nice, great acceleration, nice turn in, and great brakes. I did add sound proofing in the hatch area, hatch door, both side doors, and foot well areas. I also installed an Invidia Gemini exhaust system. This gave the 2012 coupe the audio feedback that was sweet to my ears.

I drove the 2012 coupe to the location of the Nismo which was about a 40 minute drive so the feel of the car was very fresh when I jumped to the Nismo for a test drive. My first impression was the Nismo felt more solid even a bit refined, odd I know. I could not put my finger on what I was sensing differently between the two cars. The ride itself is firmer but not to the point as to being harsh, very nice acceleration yet hard to tell the difference between the two cars. I don’t track my cars, however, we have some great drivers roads In my area where you can take your car for a spirited drive. These roads are well off the beaten path and some-what isolated. I’m not referring to driving like a mad man, just staying on it into the curves.

I get less of a feeling of speed with the Nismo, yet when I look at my speed I am hitting the curves at or above the speed I drove the 2012 coupe. Again, I was not sure why I was not sensing the speed that I was with the 2012 coupe. As I drove the Nismo more I finally stated to understand what I was NOT feeling, vibrations. It was either the Invidia exhaust on the 2012 coupe or the body dampers on the Nismo that was the difference in feedback I was getting from the two cars. The handling also contributing to the difference in feedback in the Nismo. I enter each corner flatter and exits with little change in body profile. What I find odd is that I did not notice any of this when driving the 2012 coupe. It too always felt firmly planted when driving, or so I thought. This Nismo takes it up a notch or two and gives the driver greater confidence in the cars overall grip.

Is the cost difference worth it? Well thats a question you can only answer for yourself, as for me, yes it was. This is because its not only the bump in performance and handling, I also like the way the car looks and that I know is very subjective.

What also played a part in my purchase of the Nismo and not adding the performance and handling mods to my 2012 coupe was that I would have to trust others for much of the work. My experience with having someone make changes to my car have not been the greatest. Along with that, another consideration I had was that the Nismo is a factory, warranted track ready performance car. There is some comfort in that, at least for me there is.

Well there it is, not sure this will help anyone make the decision to purchase a Nismo, just thought I would share my experience.

Eagle · 10-09-2017, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gryghst

The question still lingers, “to Nismo or not to Nismo” that does seem to be the question? Well I am going to offer up my two cents. I have owned a 2012 Touring coupe, auto, with the sport package for about two years, I recently purchased a 2016 white pearl Nismo, auto. Yes, I auto tranny’s on both, what was going through my mind. Well, I really had no strong preference on the trans and that is what came along on both.

The 2012 coupe handled and drove extremely nice, great acceleration, nice turn in, and great brakes. I did add sound proofing in the hatch area, hatch door, both side doors, and foot well areas. I also installed an Invidia Gemini exhaust system. This gave the 2012 coupe the audio feedback that was sweet to my ears.

I drove the 2012 coupe to the location of the Nismo which was about a 40 minute drive so the feel of the car was very fresh when I jumped to the Nismo for a test drive. My first impression was the Nismo felt more solid even a bit refined, odd I know. I could not put my finger on what I was sensing differently between the two cars. The ride itself is firmer but not to the point as to being harsh, very nice acceleration yet hard to tell the difference between the two cars. I don’t track my cars, however, we have some great drivers roads In my area where you can take your car for a spirited drive. These roads are well off the beaten path and some-what isolated. I’m not referring to driving like a mad man, just staying on it into the curves.

I get less of a feeling of speed with the Nismo, yet when I look at my speed I am hitting the curves at or above the speed I drove the 2012 coupe. Again, I was not sure why I was not sensing the speed that I was with the 2012 coupe. As I drove the Nismo more I finally stated to understand what I was NOT feeling, vibrations. It was either the Invidia exhaust on the 2012 coupe or the body dampers on the Nismo that was the difference in feedback I was getting from the two cars. The handling also contributing to the difference in feedback in the Nismo. I enter each corner flatter and exits with little change in body profile. What I find odd is that I did not notice any of this when driving the 2012 coupe. It too always felt firmly planted when driving, or so I thought. This Nismo takes it up a notch or two and gives the driver greater confidence in the cars overall grip.

Is the cost difference worth it? Well thats a question you can only answer for yourself, as for me, yes it was. This is because its not only the bump in performance and handling, I also like the way the car looks and that I know is very subjective.

What also played a part in my purchase of the Nismo and not adding the performance and handling mods to my 2012 coupe was that I would have to trust others for much of the work. My experience with having someone make changes to my car have not been the greatest. Along with that, another consideration I had was that the Nismo is a factory, warranted track ready performance car. There is some comfort in that, at least for me there is.

Well there it is, not sure this will help anyone make the decision to purchase a Nismo, just thought I would share my experience.

Thats great feedback, although...it should be known that no 370z is track ready, including the nismo. But that's a different discussion altogether.

The difference you're feeling between the two in terms of handling comes down to the springs and sway bars. The nismo has springs with a higher spring rate and a slightly thicker front sway bar. The nismo CHASSIS dampeners also help reduce NVH which probably translates to the smoother ride you are feeling.

Something to keep in mind is what year the nismo is, 2015+ they changed the setup to be a bit softer and compliant compared to before. Either they replaced the springs with something softer and or they replaced the sway bar.

Also tire selection can also have a dramatic impact on how the car handles and feels. Big difference between a set of Yokohama advans and the Bridgestone RE-11s that now come on the nismo from the factory.

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MaysEffect · 10-09-2017, 04:01 PM

The nismo dampers actually increase nvh as they have a higher compression force.

Not sure what you meant by that last sentence, but re11's are not factory supplied.

gryghst · 10-09-2017, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MaysEffect

The nismo dampers actually increase nvh as they have a higher compression force.

Not sure what you meant by that last sentence, but re11's are not factory supplied.

In reference to your first statement please check out:

https://global.yamaha-motor.com/business/pd/index.html

MaysEffect · 10-09-2017, 06:10 PM

okay. what does this have to do with the nismo dampers and how they are actually stiffer than the regular dampers?
Nowhere in the article does it say stiffer rates equals less nvh.

09-30-2017, 04:48 PM	#51 (permalink)
Threadlocker Base Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 74 Drives: 2010 Nismo #169 Rep Power: 12	The first Z I bought was a 1983 280zx. I drove it for 3 months before learning that a turbo model was offered as well as T-tops. That's all I wanted and the normal zx was not good enough anymore. Sure people swapped in turbo motors and modified their n/as to be better than 280zx turbos (this was in the late 90s), but a turbo t-top manual transmission seemed better. I finally found one I liked and decided that from now on, there's no point in getting anything else other than exactly what you want in a car. If you feel you like the looks of a nismo, then get the nismo. Most people will never get around to frankenstening nismo parts on their 370z, much less getting a nismo body kit on it. Don't half *** what you want. xfrgtr, God-Speed and Nick370 like this. __________________ Not the alpha male, go ask someone else.

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DOOMMONKEY777 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Crooklyn Posts: 1,008 Drives: 370Z 6psd-sport-pkg Rep Power: 20	The only difference for me btw Nismo and base+sport is the final ratio that can be compared here https://www.z1motorsports.com/upload...GearRatios.pdf Everything else on this car is pretty much the same to me. __________________ Kids don't do Drugs, Drugs are bad, so let the professional druggies do Drugs for you. 537whp/496lb/tq@8-9PSI 93 octane Last edited by DOOMMONKEY777; 10-05-2017 at 08:19 PM.

10-09-2017, 12:43 PM	#56 (permalink)
gryghst Base Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Albany, NY / Largo FL Age: 73 Posts: 85 Drives: '16 Nismo Rep Power: 1923	The question still lingers, “to Nismo or not to Nismo” that does seem to be the question? Well I am going to offer up my two cents. I have owned a 2012 Touring coupe, auto, with the sport package for about two years, I recently purchased a 2016 white pearl Nismo, auto. Yes, I auto tranny’s on both, what was going through my mind. Well, I really had no strong preference on the trans and that is what came along on both. The 2012 coupe handled and drove extremely nice, great acceleration, nice turn in, and great brakes. I did add sound proofing in the hatch area, hatch door, both side doors, and foot well areas. I also installed an Invidia Gemini exhaust system. This gave the 2012 coupe the audio feedback that was sweet to my ears. I drove the 2012 coupe to the location of the Nismo which was about a 40 minute drive so the feel of the car was very fresh when I jumped to the Nismo for a test drive. My first impression was the Nismo felt more solid even a bit refined, odd I know. I could not put my finger on what I was sensing differently between the two cars. The ride itself is firmer but not to the point as to being harsh, very nice acceleration yet hard to tell the difference between the two cars. I don’t track my cars, however, we have some great drivers roads In my area where you can take your car for a spirited drive. These roads are well off the beaten path and some-what isolated. I’m not referring to driving like a mad man, just staying on it into the curves. I get less of a feeling of speed with the Nismo, yet when I look at my speed I am hitting the curves at or above the speed I drove the 2012 coupe. Again, I was not sure why I was not sensing the speed that I was with the 2012 coupe. As I drove the Nismo more I finally stated to understand what I was NOT feeling, vibrations. It was either the Invidia exhaust on the 2012 coupe or the body dampers on the Nismo that was the difference in feedback I was getting from the two cars. The handling also contributing to the difference in feedback in the Nismo. I enter each corner flatter and exits with little change in body profile. What I find odd is that I did not notice any of this when driving the 2012 coupe. It too always felt firmly planted when driving, or so I thought. This Nismo takes it up a notch or two and gives the driver greater confidence in the cars overall grip. Is the cost difference worth it? Well thats a question you can only answer for yourself, as for me, yes it was. This is because its not only the bump in performance and handling, I also like the way the car looks and that I know is very subjective. What also played a part in my purchase of the Nismo and not adding the performance and handling mods to my 2012 coupe was that I would have to trust others for much of the work. My experience with having someone make changes to my car have not been the greatest. Along with that, another consideration I had was that the Nismo is a factory, warranted track ready performance car. There is some comfort in that, at least for me there is. Well there it is, not sure this will help anyone make the decision to purchase a Nismo, just thought I would share my experience. Eagle likes this.

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09-22-2017, 10:00 AM	#48 (permalink)
boby370z Base Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Quebec Canada Posts: 32 Drives: 18 370z passion red Rep Power: 7	KCZ.., Like Axmea said, the difference in lenght between base and Nismo model is 3 inches and in weight regarding the 2018 model The difference is exactly of 116 pounds more for the Nismo model...this represent a huge difference. Robert 2018 Passion red

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MaysEffect Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: SoCal Age: 31 Posts: 383 Drives: Infiniti FX35 Rep Power: 35	The nismo dampers actually increase nvh as they have a higher compression force. Not sure what you meant by that last sentence, but re11's are not factory supplied.

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MaysEffect Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: SoCal Age: 31 Posts: 383 Drives: Infiniti FX35 Rep Power: 35	okay. what does this have to do with the nismo dampers and how they are actually stiffer than the regular dampers? Nowhere in the article does it say stiffer rates equals less nvh.