Really? A Civic beats a Z

axmea?

It was a base and a Nissan beater. In fact it was the only one Nissan could find for R & T. Nissan doesn't care. Now, if they drove one of our cars here in the forum bolt ons and all, then it would be a different story. I say this because you are comparing an old 8 year old to a young buck in the Civic. Many dealers by the way do not sell their Type R's at MSRP. It is way overpriced right now and not really at the rate published by R & T. I still find the Civic more as a direct competitor to the Focus RS but R & T was going for an all Japanese line up. If Mitsubishi were still around with their EVOs then the Z would have been out of the picture. Would be different if they put a Nismo to play along.

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Jhill

The type r will be no joke of a car I'm sure but it's really a different category. I'm too old for a type r now days and won't put up with a manual in Bay Area traffic. I never understand the hate on the Vq engine, I love the note and I don't find it rough at all, I worked for Acura and compared to their v6 it is maybe only slightly rougher at upper rpm but also has a higher rpm (and more power) vs the 4 cycle, well Honda has some of the smoothest 4 cyl but I do not think the vq is rougher in anyway at all.

At the end of the day none of us are sponsored racers so drive what you enjoy and enjoy it for what it is. The z for me is happy in traffic, happy in coastal cruising and happy at the track it's just the right car for me. If I was 10 years younger the type r would be tempting (and I wouldn't have the money for it). With its inflated price and target buyer I'll be interested how many they sell.

Oh and it's that low end boost torque that is making it so fast. Small car hitting 295ft lbs at 2500 is no joke for turn exit, I think my z with bolts and tune is like 275ft lbs.. the vq is not really a torque monster they more like to rev with their overbored engine designe and I think they were around a 1.5 rod ratio.

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DamnThatZGuy

That Civic is almost 10 years newer so it doesn't really matter. People still think my 2009 370 is a brand new/modern car. I love it

MacCool

That should be no surprise to anyone here. One only needs to look at the upgrade history of the Z34 platform and the level of tech that has evolved over the last 9 years (zero).

As to getting beat by a Honda Civic...I don't care either. I own a Z because it's fun to drive. The Type R being faster doesn't affect how my car drives at all. There are a lot of cars that are faster than my Z. ****, I have a buddy with a pickup truck that will walk all over it from stoplight to stoplight. If you're buying a car for street racing and speed-bragging rights, the Z was the wrong car to buy, and that should be obvious to everyone after 9 years.