Originally Posted by axmea?

It was a base and a Nissan beater. In fact it was the only one Nissan could find for R & T. Nissan doesn't care. Now, if they drove one of our cars here in the forum bolt ons and all, then it would be a different story. I say this because you are comparing an old 8 year old to a young buck in the Civic. Many dealers by the way do not sell their Type R's at MSRP. It is way overpriced right now and not really at the rate published by R & T. I still find the Civic more as a direct competitor to the Focus RS but R & T was going for an all Japanese line up. If Mitsubishi were still around with their EVOs then the Z would have been out of the picture. Would be different if they put a Nismo to play along.