370 debate on Camaro board

FairladyZ · 01-09-2009, 10:00 PM

yeah... thats what i was thinking for 422 hp lol...

Another car

by its own weight =(, oh wells i still think that car is beautiful

sirploppy · 01-09-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

That slow? Wasnt expecting that out of a 422hp car. But like you said, maybe that was a prepro. For their sake, I hope so.

With 4000lbs to haul, that sounds about right.

I really like the new Camaro, but it's not for me. More for people cross shopping the Charger,Challenger, Mustang... Big engine, big chassis.

LiquidZ · 01-09-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ

2010 Chevy Camaro SS: 0-60 in 4.6 Seconds

Seems to me edmunds already got some SS numbers no??

The link i provided show some numbers

0-60 in 4.9, 60-0 in 117ft, .90g skid, 1/4 mile 13.4

Hmm looks like the Z has it beat in certain areas...... braking, 0-60, skid, and 1/4 mile

but then again ...this is probably a pre production test car so i dont know?

Those were all quoted from GM. I will hold total judgment on the car until official testing is conducted. Then again, that might not be for awhile as this car is delayed once again.

LiquidZ · 01-09-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 18rgcelica73

Well you have a way of speaking what is true which is evading their simple American made biased minds. I was raised on muscle cars but the second I saw what the imports were capable of I quickly became an import minded enthusiast. They will realize what the z is capable of when they come across one on the road and get their asses handed to them in a very fashionable embarrasing way. I myself can't wait to accomplish this embarrasment.

The Geek · 01-09-2009, 10:52 PM

Really suprised me that one or two mentioned that skidpad results should not even be included in the discussion...Surely Car and Driver, MotorTrend, Edmunds, etc. etc. etc. have some sort of knowledge/credability somewhere along the lines of how to test and record these cars performance numbers. I would think they include skidpad for a reason, but what do I know, I'm only a Software Geek...

The only reason I'm shootin for something along the lines of the 370 and not the camaro because of basically what I see on a daily basis (driving around 40 miles to work and back):
- Maybe 1 or 2 extremely nice last bodystyle SS Camaros with older dudes drivin em...they sound very nice btw...
- Around 50, give or take 5, base Camaros (some with rust spots, some black cars with one tiel door, most with flowmasters ofcourse) with young kids and chicks drivin em.

Again, it may be different in different areas of the US, but here that's all I've ever seen.

As far as the 350z and 370z, I don't see a lot at all around here, and when I do it's usually an old dude.

Nonetheless, both the camaro and 370z are great cars in each of their own categories and if one wants 4 seats and a bigger trunk, camaro is your baby, but if you want a 2 seater sports car get a Z.

Educ8r · 01-09-2009, 11:52 PM

Source: MotorTrend.com

frost · 01-10-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FairladyZ

yeah... thats what i was thinking for 422 hp lol...

Another car

by its own weight =(, oh wells i still think that car is beautiful

The old camaro only had ~325 hp, and it was a 13.6 car. I don't know how much the new one weighs over the last one, but it must be significant.

frost · 01-10-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Educ8r

Source: MotorTrend.com

That effen car is going to be played out before it even gets to the showroom.

Lug · 01-10-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by frost

The old camaro only had ~325 hp, and it was a 13.6 car. I don't know how much the new one weighs over the last one, but it must be significant.

The new is something like 3800 to 3900 lbs, old were closer to 3400.

Pushing_Tin · 01-10-2009, 02:54 AM

I see the car is delayed, they are saying a one month delay, but I suspect it will be longer in reality. They also said that the SS (V8) model will take a lot longer to get to dealers due to the demand. Some people may not get the cars they ordered until next year. Glad I got my Z!

Asheth · 01-10-2009, 03:14 AM

According to that edmunds article the V6 is not even in the picture with most sport car V6's out there. 0-60 in 6.1 sec and 1/4 Mile in 14.1??

frost · 01-10-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

I see the car is delayed, they are saying a one month delay, but I suspect it will be longer in reality. They also said that the SS (V8) model will take a lot longer to get to dealers due to the demand. Some people may not get the cars they ordered until next year. Glad I got my Z!

Lol, they must have thought everyone would just be buying their 6cyl because of gas prices. Any remorse not waiting for the camaro now Tin?

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Originally Posted by Lug

The new is something like 3800 to 3900 lbs, old were closer to 3400.

Ouch, GM needs to take a lesson from Nissan.

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Originally Posted by Asheth

According to that edmunds article the V6 is not even in the picture with most sport car V6's out there. 0-60 in 6.1 sec and 1/4 Mile in 14.1??

Dont tell the camaro guys that. All they know is their 6 is the most powerful 6 they have ever had! And since it has high HP, it must be fast.

Pushing_Tin · 01-10-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

Lol, they must have thought everyone would just be buying their 6cyl because of gas prices. Any remorse not waiting for the camaro now Tin?

I think that GM underestimated the amount of enthusiast orders initially, which of couse will be the SS/V8 model. It's the one that I would have purchased too. From what I read over there even people with deposits may not see the cars they ordered until next year, as GM does not have the capacity to make that many SS models, plus I would imagine some of the dealers are going to slap a $10k++ mark upon some of the first models they receive.

So in reality for an average Joe to buy an SS at MSRP might take 1-2 years. Who knows, by then I might be ready for a new car!

frost · 01-10-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

I think that GM underestimated the amount of enthusiast orders initially, which of couse will be the SS/V8 model. It's the one that I would have purchased too. From what I read over there even people with deposits may not see the cars they ordered until next year, as GM does not have the capacity to make that many SS models, plus I would imagine some of the dealers are going to slap a $10k++ mark upon some of the first models they receive.

So in reality for an average Joe to buy an SS at MSRP might take 1-2 years. Who knows, by then I might be ready for a new car!

I remember seeing a post a couple weeks ago where the sales numbers of the camaro were reported, and quite the opposite of what one may expect, the "top dog" most expensive model they have (2SS RS) is the best seller, with the 6-banger in last place. I'm sure the GM folks were like

SBG · 01-10-2009, 03:13 PM

Hi guys, my first post in this site.

I've been very active over in the Camaro forums. I've come very close to ordering a 2010 Camaro SS.

I was also pretty amazed by how many guys over in the Camaro forum think the Camaro SS will handle as well as the 370z.

I posted over a Camaro5.com to try to bring them down to Earth.

The 370z only weighs 3350 lbs and runs on 275 series rear tires (Touring).
The Camaro SS weighs 3900 lbs and runs on 275 series rear tires.
So which car do you think will handle the best? That along with the fact that the 370z is pulling .98 G's - .99 G's on the skid pad pretty much seals the deal.
There's no way the Camaro SS is going to pull those kind on numbers on the skid pad.

Drag strip- Camaro SS > 370Z
Road course- 370Z > Camaro SS

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01-09-2009, 10:00 PM	#31 (permalink)
FairladyZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 850 Drives: 2012 370Z TRNG SPRT Rep Power: 17	yeah... thats what i was thinking for 422 hp lol... Another car by its own weight =(, oh wells i still think that car is beautiful

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The Geek Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: WV Posts: 100 Drives: 07 Honda Civic Rep Power: 16	Really suprised me that one or two mentioned that skidpad results should not even be included in the discussion...Surely Car and Driver, MotorTrend, Edmunds, etc. etc. etc. have some sort of knowledge/credability somewhere along the lines of how to test and record these cars performance numbers. I would think they include skidpad for a reason, but what do I know, I'm only a Software Geek... The only reason I'm shootin for something along the lines of the 370 and not the camaro because of basically what I see on a daily basis (driving around 40 miles to work and back): - Maybe 1 or 2 extremely nice last bodystyle SS Camaros with older dudes drivin em...they sound very nice btw... - Around 50, give or take 5, base Camaros (some with rust spots, some black cars with one tiel door, most with flowmasters ofcourse) with young kids and chicks drivin em. Again, it may be different in different areas of the US, but here that's all I've ever seen. As far as the 350z and 370z, I don't see a lot at all around here, and when I do it's usually an old dude. Nonetheless, both the camaro and 370z are great cars in each of their own categories and if one wants 4 seats and a bigger trunk, camaro is your baby, but if you want a 2 seater sports car get a Z.

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Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 227	I see the car is delayed, they are saying a one month delay, but I suspect it will be longer in reality. They also said that the SS (V8) model will take a lot longer to get to dealers due to the demand. Some people may not get the cars they ordered until next year. Glad I got my Z!

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Asheth Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 917 Drives: 09 Blk 6mt Rep Power: 17	According to that edmunds article the V6 is not even in the picture with most sport car V6's out there. 0-60 in 6.1 sec and 1/4 Mile in 14.1??

01-10-2009, 03:13 PM	#45 (permalink)
SBG Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 2 Drives: 06 GTO Rep Power: 16	Hi guys, my first post in this site. I've been very active over in the Camaro forums. I've come very close to ordering a 2010 Camaro SS. I was also pretty amazed by how many guys over in the Camaro forum think the Camaro SS will handle as well as the 370z. I posted over a Camaro5.com to try to bring them down to Earth. The 370z only weighs 3350 lbs and runs on 275 series rear tires (Touring). The Camaro SS weighs 3900 lbs and runs on 275 series rear tires. So which car do you think will handle the best? That along with the fact that the 370z is pulling .98 G's - .99 G's on the skid pad pretty much seals the deal. There's no way the Camaro SS is going to pull those kind on numbers on the skid pad. Drag strip- Camaro SS > 370Z Road course- 370Z > Camaro SS