Nismo vs. Sti

RumbleFish · 11-10-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

I paid $26k out the door for a brand new Z with 12 miles on the clock. I'd be an idiot to save $10k buying a used one full of headaches from the previous owner with no warranty.

And as for the VQ "found in everything"... Good! It's a proven design and a damn good engine. It also still competes well with current V8 models.

I'll buy new every time and deal with monthly payments rather than screw around with someone's old neglected beater with non-stop issues.

That's why I bought a CPO Z...already used the warranty to address CSC & get a new tranny after 5th gear began to grind.

I do agree that buying a used Z w/o a warranty is risky business.

ChopsZ · 11-11-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

Thats really on you, i guess, for only looking at neglected beaters with non-stop issues.

Clean used versions are available, its up to the shopper to be patient and discerning.

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

Thats what carfax and an inspection are for? Plus the warranty applies under $30k, so you can still go to your dealership

are you really trying to argue that buying new is better value than used? the only difference is effort, really

I mean, just look at the for sale section here and there are dozens of Z's available in various states of tune at various prices, and just a small snapshop of the market.

If you wanna be lazy and walk into the dealership and drive off, thats your money, its cool.

And back on topic, the STi is even more plentiful since the same drivetrain has been available since around 2004-ish The chassis hasn't changed that much. And you have a hatchback option too!

My point is the same, the used market for the Z and the STi offer a ton of options if you care to look there, you CAN come way ahead of paying for a new Z or Sti. Think about it, thats ******* $40k! Sorry if i'd like to get better value for my money, especially if a chunk of that $40K is going to a dealer.

Yeah dude, you're a clown.

If you trust Carfax and/or private sellers ALL of the time, then everything I read on the internet just HAS to be true ALL of the time I guess. LOL

And lazy? Really? Someone who's responsible and works hard for their money so they can support their family, buy nice things for their family and still have money left over to buy a nice new car and nice new expensive parts for it, I wouldn't exactly call lazy.

Like an artist, I like starting with a new blank canvas, and buying a brand new car is just that. I don't have to go and undo a bunch of crap I don't want on that used car, and possibly find out that someone somewhere along the line cut corners and did a hack job on everything, possibly even making the car unsafe. The heck with that noise.

You go ahead and buy your used cars and well... I won't. Because quite frankly, I don't give a rat's a$$ about depreciation and resale value.

And next time, think ahead before shooting off your mouth about people being lazy. I could just as easily say that you're just cheap and lazy and want to buy an already modded car for a song. Mind you, modded to someone else's taste. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

kenchan · 11-11-2016, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zmanelite

I have a SC Nismo 2012 and a 16 STI with a stage 3 Cobb

The Z is a blast to drive but on the track i feel more confident in the STI
I think this has to do in part with the STI being cheaper vs the amount of money i have spent on the Z

As a DD the STI wins hands down

All out fun in canyon it goes to the Z

Must be nice to have a Z and a STI.. lucky bastard

cv129 · 11-11-2016, 06:38 PM

^ look who is talking lol

OptionZero · 11-11-2016, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

Yeah dude, you're a clown.

If you trust Carfax and/or private sellers ALL of the time, then everything I read on the internet just HAS to be true ALL of the time I guess. LOL

And lazy? Really? Someone who's responsible and works hard for their money so they can support their family, buy nice things for their family and still have money left over to buy a nice new car and nice new expensive parts for it, I wouldn't exactly call lazy.

Like an artist, I like starting with a new blank canvas, and buying a brand new car is just that. I don't have to go and undo a bunch of crap I don't want on that used car, and possibly find out that someone somewhere along the line cut corners and did a hack job on everything, possibly even making the car unsafe. The heck with that noise.

You go ahead and buy your used cars and well... I won't. Because quite frankly, I don't give a rat's a$$ about depreciation and resale value.

And next time, think ahead before shooting off your mouth about people being lazy. I could just as easily say that you're just cheap and lazy and want to buy an already modded car for a song. Mind you, modded to someone else's taste. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Your whole premise is that used, clean Z's don't exist. This is an eight year old car. They exist. For some reason you think every used car is a timebomb about to explode or something.

I saved about ten grand off the cost of an equivalent new model, and it has no "hack job mods" to undo. And now I can use that money on coilovers, suspension, and wheels. And my car is still under warranty.

But hey, in your own words, you don't care about depreciation or resale value, so hey, go ahead and justify your purchase. If you can sleep at night, cool!
awesome!
i'm clapping right now

and still laughing at you

OptionZero · 11-11-2016, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danthe370zman

Where did I say anything about value? Go back and re-read what I said. Some people simply are not hurting for money and want a brand new car, are you trying to argue they are wrong for wanting to buy new? Also Carfax and inspection are great tools for buying a used car but can't catch everything.
Not exactly sure why you are being combative and rude about this but the fact you imply people you don't even know are lazy for spending the money they earned shows how immature you are.

Chopz position is pretty extreme, he apparently thinks every used car is a fast and furious castoff.

Its a ridiculous assumption, so i'm gonna treat it like one.

AND! this whole discussion is about STi's and Nismo Z's. My point is that NEITHER car is worth their MSRP, for the reason that clean used examples are available. I don't know how i could have spelled it out more clearly except ChopZ wants to take a pitchfork and light some torches to the used car market.

HE can do whatever he wants with his money that makes him feel good. My point is the same: it's hard to justify $40k for an Sti or Nismo Z.

Nithmo · 11-12-2016, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bthomas87

Wow those two are retarded. Neither of them know anything about either of these cars.
Did they get their info from cliffsnotes or something, so stupid.
CNET really needs to get it together or just stop reviewing cars if they can't get simple things like engine displacement correct.

Here's some valuable info:

Both test results are from Car and Driver

2016 WRX STI
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec
Top speed: 159 mph

2015 (nothing changed for 2016) 370z Nismo
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.1 sec
Top speed: 155 mph

These cars are pretty much the same performance wise.

The rest is all determined by how good of a driver you are and which driving style suits you.
Me, I like to tear it up carving corners and kicking the back end around while listening to that VQ exhaust blasting through straight pipes with the exhaust cracking with each up and downshift with RevMatch on.
I like the WRX's performace, but the 4 doors imply that passengers and or child seats are welcome in my car, and that's just a no go for me.

LOL when has the Nismo ever broken 5 seconds, 0-60?

SS_Firehawk · 11-12-2016, 03:37 AM

Three different tests, manual and auto, all Nismo, all reaching 105-106mph, all doing 0-60 in 5 seconds or less. the 1/4 time is out of the norm (13.3-13.6 avg), but overall, the numbers are fine.

0-60 in 5.0 13.5 @106.6mph
Lotus Exige S 260 Sport vs. Nissan Nismo 370Z

0-60 in 4.9 13.5 @105.4mph
2015 Nissan 370Z Nismo First Test - Motor Trend

0-60 in 4.9 13.6@106mph
2015 Nissan 370Z NISMO Automatic – Review – Car and Driver

synolimit · 11-12-2016, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BboyZ

Did I hear the guy right, he said 3.5 liter v6?

Stopped watching a few seconds in!

Also the new sti is 2.5??? Why's the WRX 2.0? They always been equal besides the turbo and IC layout.

kenchan · 11-12-2016, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

LOL when has the Nismo ever broken 5 seconds, 0-60?

honestly in real world, i dont think i can ever get the 5sec mark on my 370Z. even with the RE11's i cant get the level of grip i need. and the clutch feel, throttle lag.. i just cant get the level of control i need.

the STI on the otherhand, great grip ofcourse, consistent clutch, fast throttle response (cobb stage1). easy to do fast launches.

OptionZero · 11-12-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Stopped watching a few seconds in!

Also the new sti is 2.5??? Why's the WRX 2.0? They always been equal besides the turbo and IC layout.

I lurked on NASIOC a bit

The WRX engine is the new F20f, direct injection turbo. Bc it's new, folks speculated Subaru wasn't ready to push to 300 hp

So they used the decade old 2.5 in the sti

Nithmo · 11-12-2016, 12:05 PM

That makes no sense. Subaru has been pushing 2.0 engines to 300hp in Japan for YEARS. The JDM STi always had a 2.0L turbo.

Danthe370zman · 11-12-2016, 12:10 PM

The J spec STI has the new FA 2.0
The US spec STI has the old 2.5 FJ series. I have no idea why though.

Anthony@Royal · 11-12-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

Chopz position is pretty extreme, he apparently thinks every used car is a fast and furious castoff.

Its a ridiculous assumption, so i'm gonna treat it like one.

AND! this whole discussion is about STi's and Nismo Z's. My point is that NEITHER car is worth their MSRP, for the reason that clean used examples are available. I don't know how i could have spelled it out more clearly except ChopZ wants to take a pitchfork and light some torches to the used car market.

HE can do whatever he wants with his money that makes him feel good. My point is the same: it's hard to justify $40k for an Sti or Nismo Z.

It's all personal preference man. To some people, the extra money is worth knowing how the car was treated it's WHOLE life. I buy new, but I'm anal when it comes to my car. I personally don't trust people selling their cars or carfax. I would consider buying a used civic or some sort of economy car, but we're talking about sports/performance cars. It's definitely more likely that Z, WRX, EVO, etc. was beaten up by it's previous owner than a civic or corolla. I'd rather not get someone's sloppy seconds...

On topic: These two first stated that the 370z has a 3.5 liter and then thought the "370" stands for 370 hp? Come on

OptionZero · 11-12-2016, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danthe370zman

The J spec STI has the new FA 2.0
The US spec STI has the old 2.5 FJ series. I have no idea why though.

Wait is that right? Is the JDM sti using the new direct injection F series?

I don't think that's right. It should be the same EJ20 that all jdm stis have been using

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SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	Three different tests, manual and auto, all Nismo, all reaching 105-106mph, all doing 0-60 in 5 seconds or less. the 1/4 time is out of the norm (13.3-13.6 avg), but overall, the numbers are fine. 0-60 in 5.0 13.5 @106.6mph Lotus Exige S 260 Sport vs. Nissan Nismo 370Z 0-60 in 4.9 13.5 @105.4mph 2015 Nissan 370Z Nismo First Test - Motor Trend 0-60 in 4.9 13.6@106mph 2015 Nissan 370Z NISMO Automatic – Review – Car and Driver __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction Last edited by SS_Firehawk; 11-12-2016 at 03:42 AM.

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Danthe370zman Base Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Asheville N.C. Posts: 41 Drives: 17 370Z Sport Rep Power: 8	The J spec STI has the new FA 2.0 The US spec STI has the old 2.5 FJ series. I have no idea why though. Last edited by Danthe370zman; 11-12-2016 at 12:18 PM.

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