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Originally Posted by davidyan Response to 1: I think anything between $30K - $31.5K would be a great deal assuming its an MT. If auto, add the invoice price of

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Old 11-24-2009, 11:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Response to 1: I think anything between $30K - $31.5K would be a great deal assuming its an MT. If auto, add the invoice price of the auto.

Response to 2: I get approximately 20 - 22 MPG under moderate driving. To fill up at nearly empty, you will need anywhere between 16.5 - 17.5 gallons of 91 + octane. The tank capacity, I believe is around 19 gallons.

Response to 3: I do the same and have had no issues. Only that sometimes I need to have more than 2 seats.

Response to 5: The maintenance schedule is like most other regular cars. If you use a dealer for oil changes its a tad higher, given that they will likely recommend the Ester oil. There are numerous threads on this elsewhere. Many just chose a good synthetic and DIY instead. As far as long-term reliability, its too soon to tell.

Re, quest 4, sorry- I don't recall.
Thanks. As much as i like the Z, i think i'm going to stick with a BMW. I think at $4/gal x 17 gallon tank, that would cost me about $70 per fillup.

22MPG x 17 gal = 374 miles.

I would buy it as a weekend car, but not for everyday commuting.
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Thanks. As much as i like the Z, i think i'm going to stick with a BMW. I think at $4/gal x 17 gallon tank, that would cost me about $70 per fillup.

22MPG x 17 gal = 374 miles.

I would buy it as a weekend car, but not for everyday commuting.
The BMW 128i (18/26) and 135i (17/25) get nearly the same MPG that the Z (18/26) gets, so I'm not sure why you would value those above the Z. Someone else mentioned the Altima/Maxima...unless you get the 2.5L engine, the mpg only goes up 1 mpg (18/27 and 19/26, respectively) for those cars, so no real benefit in that department.

My Z is my daily driver. Because most of my driving is done at less than 40mph with plenty of stopping, I average about 16-17 mpg. Do I care? Not one bit. I stopped caring after the first tank of gas when I realized I was driving like my grandpa just to keep the mpg meter above 20.

I don't like the styling of either the 1 series BMWs or the Miata. The Z, to me, stands out in it's class...both in terms of performance and styling.

I'm sure the 1 series are nice, but unless I had the bank for at least the 3 series, I would be looking at the Z exclusively in this price range.

As far as price, invoice is a little less than what you were quoted. I would start negotiations at around 30,500 and don't accept anything higher than 31,500.

As far as reliability, as someone pointed out, there's no concrete data on the vehicle yet. I assume, based on Nissan's recent history, that if you take care of the car it'll last well beyond 100k miles with few issues.
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The BMW 128i (18/26) and 135i (17/25) get nearly the same MPG that the Z (18/26) gets, so I'm not sure why you would value those above the Z. Someone else mentioned the Altima/Maxima...unless you get the 2.5L engine, the mpg only goes up 1 mpg (18/27 and 19/26, respectively) for those cars, so no real benefit in that department.

My Z is my daily driver. Because most of my driving is done at less than 40mph with plenty of stopping, I average about 16-17 mpg. Do I care? Not one bit. I stopped caring after the first tank of gas when I realized I was driving like my grandpa just to keep the mpg meter above 20.

I don't like the styling of either the 1 series BMWs or the Miata. The Z, to me, stands out in it's class...both in terms of performance and styling.

I'm sure the 1 series are nice, but unless I had the bank for at least the 3 series, I would be looking at the Z exclusively in this price range.

As far as price, invoice is a little less than what you were quoted. I would start negotiations at around 30,500 and don't accept anything higher than 31,500.

As far as reliability, as someone pointed out, there's no concrete data on the vehicle yet. I assume, based on Nissan's recent history, that if you take care of the car it'll last well beyond 100k miles with few issues.
Thanks Matt. great feedback.

Z definitely stands out, and doesn't look as wimpy as BMW 128. I haven't sold on the BMW yet. kinda 50/50.

I don't understand why the BMW 128 has 200hp and get (18/26) mpg which is the same as the Z. With almost 120 less horsepower than the Z, i thought the 1 would get better mileage. uhm..
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Thanks Matt. great feedback.

Z definitely stands out, and doesn't look as wimpy as BMW 128. I haven't sold on the BMW yet. kinda 50/50.

I don't understand why the BMW 128 has 200hp and get (18/26) mpg which is the same as the Z. With almost 120 less horsepower than the Z, i thought the 1 would get better mileage. uhm..
Horsepower alone does not go hand in hand with gas mileage. It's a combination of HP, torque, weight, drivetrain, width tires, etc. You have much to learn and much to research.
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Thanks. As much as i like the Z, i think i'm going to stick with a BMW. I think at $4/gal x 17 gallon tank, that would cost me about $70 per fillup.

22MPG x 17 gal = 374 miles.

I would buy it as a weekend car, but not for everyday commuting.
As worried as you sound about gas mileage you are better off with the BMW. Good Luck and thanks for stopping by. That leaves more Zs for people that WANNA GO FAST!
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As worried as you sound about gas mileage you are better off with the BMW. Good Luck and thanks for stopping by. That leaves more Zs for people that WANNA GO FAST!
After spending about 10 minutes on google, I was unable to find any BMW with more than a 1 mpg advantage on the Z. Hell, most of them were 17/25, 1 mpg LESS than the Z.
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After spending about 10 minutes on google, I was unable to find any BMW with more than a 1 mpg advantage on the Z. Hell, most of them were 17/25, 1 mpg LESS than the Z.
Didn't really look into it that far, just never was concerned about gas mileage when looking at the Z. I just wanted to know how it handled in a corner with the throttle wide open. So far no one on street has beat me through curves yet, including a miata(it was close at first but the Z just walked away). SHAKE AND BAKE!
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1. This one dealership is willing to give me a 09 Z black base model with sports package for $32K. Is this a good deal? You think they would lower to $30K?
Mine was 31,500 same options but i had kick plates and matts, i have seen even cheaper than this.
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2. How's the gas mileage? I read a few research and they say it gets pretty bad mileage like 18MPG combined. Is this true? How many gallons do you fill up each time?
Its more like 21 combined if you do 50 highway/50 city. According to the sticker on the car it agrees with me also.
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3. It will not be my weekend car. I will drive and commute with it, about 20 miles one way each day. Is it a good idea to get a Z with that bad mileage for commuting?
If your driving 20 miles each way, you will obviously average higher, i would suspect you would average like 24-25 miles to the gallon. (just my guess)
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4. How much do you pay for insurance?
What i pay wont be what you pay, your driving 40 miles each day, odds are your insurance is going to be high no matter what you drive.
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5. How reliable is the Z? You think it would last 100,000 without any major problems? I can live with paying for regular maintenance and stuff, but I don't expect major problem before it hits 100K miles.
I dont think you will get any major problems, its a nissan made in japan. I think its quality is pretty high. You will get minor problems. For example my shifter is rattling and its annoying but i think its a pretty easy fix.
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If you need a back seat, get the BMW, if you don't, get the Z. I was deciding wether or not to get a nismo or a 335i, there's only a 5-7k price difference(depending on how crazy you get with the packages/options/accessories that the price difference gets to be over 10k), but when you look at it, the 370z is just so much more for the money. But you just seem to concerned with mpg's
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Really, it all depend on your needs, budgets, commodities, space, etc...
It is obvious that, in a 370z forum, we, most of the time, are going to incline in favor of the Z.

You have to know that this is a 2 seater car, not to much cargo space in comparison with the bmw or, maybe, the mazda miata (dont know about the last one).
The Z is not the best economy gas magic saver nor is the worst, but again, in comparison with your options, the Z is not the best in your options.
Z could be your daily car, but again, depending on your needs, could or could not satisfy your expectations.

Anyway, based on what you are saying, get a economy sport sedan.

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