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How is the reliability/cost of maintenance of 370z's? Thinking of selling my e46 m3

Originally Posted by forgot pw Pretty funny reading all these newb posts like they've owned the car for 7 yrs or something. Now I'm hitting 130K miles around.. Sent from

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Old 08-04-2016, 12:09 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Pretty funny reading all these newb posts like they've owned the car for 7 yrs or something.
Now I'm hitting 130K miles around..

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Oh you don't need to tell me man. Like I said I had the benefit to work on all of them and it is shameful how others compare to Japanese. I started as a die hard German fan and German is the only way to go, left the German dealer for independent German when the economy tanked, then left for Japanese for more pay and dealer gets to see more new technologies so I missed that. It was a total eye opener of oh so this is how it should be made. I mean not only are they more reliable but they also are much more planned out on repairs (in general). It's not often the make bolts in accessible without dissembling the entire car just to get to the one bolt you need access to in order to remove whatever failed part you need to replace which the German are notorious for which is truly funny because they are the ones that break at over two times the rate of Japanese. Left Japanese because got bored of service work and brake jobs so I went to USA to do diag and drivability specialist with garanteed hourly pay and no flat rape BS and really enjoyed it until the dealer sold to new owner and they tanked it, put managers with 0 Chevy experience in charge and ex Acura managers thinking it worked for us this way at acura so it will work here too and we don't need an on site warranty clerk will use an outside clerk. Yea genius how much warranty work did you have at acura, not much I know cause I worked for them too. After 1 month and over 2000 still open warranty RO that they didn't know how to close to collect billing, then no follow up calls to customers so there went CSI score went from #1 dealer in the state and like in top 10 in nation to not even being on the list of top 100 and all downhill from there. USA isn't really good either most of them are mix of parts made from all over the world and then thrown together with poor qc and then put out stupid bulletins like this much coolant weep from water pump is acceptable weepage with pictures to illustrate (yea Chevy Cruz looking at you) since when is it ok for a cooling system to leak ever? Only to have to come up with a new pump after enough complaints and people not accepting that answer and making yourself look bad for trying to pass one over, just embarrassing. Now out of the field, too bad cause I do like cars and the work but way too much incompetence in the industry and a terrible pay structure for techs.

But it's funny when you work for German or US and the techs that have only experienced those cars just come to think that is how they all are and its acceptable and when you tell them no man go work in a Japanese dealer for just a year and see how few issues you will see and that the Japanese really did earn their stereotype they just don't break or have electrical issues (again in general).
From one tech to another, I can totally relate when you talk about German and USA manufacturers. I worked for two Mercedes dealers. I must say that the build quality is pretty good. The cars have too many electronics. And as for making things difficult to work on, you're definitely right. To do an alternator on a 222 the front bumper, radiator and a bunch of other crap have to come off. What a joke!

I'm now back at Ford doing Diesel and heavy line again. (I love it) Ford has it's parts made from Africa, Lithuania and everywhere in between. Warranty times are laughable. I seriously sometimes think out getting out of the industry. I do pig tails on these cars all the time since the connectors are garbage.

So yeah OP, buying a Z is definitely going to be wise when it comes to reliability. I had a 2006 g35 coupe and put 0ver 100K on it without any serious issues.
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From one tech to another, I can totally relate when you talk about German and USA manufacturers. I worked for two Mercedes dealers. I must say that the build quality is pretty good. The cars have too many electronics. And as for making things difficult to work on, you're definitely right. To do an alternator on a 222 the front bumper, radiator and a bunch of other crap have to come off. What a joke!

I'm now back at Ford doing Diesel and heavy line again. (I love it) Ford has it's parts made from Africa, Lithuania and everywhere in between. Warranty times are laughable. I seriously sometimes think out getting out of the industry. I do pig tails on these cars all the time since the connectors are garbage.

So yeah OP, buying a Z is definitely going to be wise when it comes to reliability. I had a 2006 g35 coupe and put 0ver 100K on it without any serious issues.

Yea dude do yourself the favor and get out. Industry is a joke now. No pay, tool prices jumping through the roof, times getting cut, benefits packages disappearing (can't even get spouses medical), and working like a dog in hot and cold weather. I make 35k more a year now on paper and work 3/4 as hard, 100% paid benefits too, it's just not interesting work and I feel my brain turning to mush so I am now active on forums to try and "remote diag" to stay somewhat smart. Loved MB electronics and not being sarcastic I truly like that stuff but I think I'm sick.
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I currently own a 2004 bmw m3 and i'm thinking of selling it and getting a brand new 370z. The cost of maintenance and owning my m3 is getting a bit ridiculous and it's always needing some type of work done on it. I'm somewhat handy with working on my car, I can do brakes, cooling system work, some suspension work and things like that on my own.

Basically what i'm trying to ask is how reliable are these cars and what are the weak points that have to be taken care of? How is the cost of maintenance once warranty is done? Is it a car that you can spend a weekend on wrenching on it yourself? I've already test driven one and I had a lot of fun driving it!
I traded in my 2003 Z4 2.5i for a 2017 370z just because of the maintenance cost. The bimmer has way too many sensors that can fail, and this can be annoying. I think buying later model of the Z is more reliable as problems from previous year should be fixed / addressed. At least you have 5 years of worry free powertrain warranty if you buy brand new
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I'm pretty sure that even newborn babies out of the womb know Japanese cars are reliable.

It's still interesting to hear all the stories from you techs. Thanks for making us all feel good about our purchases.
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The Japanese is very good at making existing technology reliable and pushing its performance to the limit. Years ago I read a small SUV comparison by C&D, the previous generation Toyota Rav4 with the 2.5L port-injected NA with the 4-speed auto outperformed the Ford Escape with the then new of 1.6L EcoBoost with a 6-speed auto in both acceleration and real world fuel economy by a slim margin.

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For the Zs, Nissan not offering DI, Turbo or DCT sure turns off some buyers, but that definitely makes the Z relatively reliable and cheap to maintain.
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Building off of what has already been previously mentioned. The only real expense that you will encounter with your Z should be tires! Be prepared to shell out $1200 if you want the best performing tires but then again my Z has all bolt ons and a tune and has been nothing but reliable. No issues yet, whether or not you use the more expensive Nissan Ester oil or not is up to you. Many forum members swear by redline. I will say best advise I can give you is to flush the trans and diff fluid within the first 3k miles and replace with High Performance fluid such as Motul. Will ensure your parts last far longer, especially if you have a lead foot like me. Best of luck and welcome to the Z club.
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Here's my testament to Nissan/Infiniti reliability -they've been the only cars I've owned for the last 22 years and here's their history:

1994 Nissan Altima (bought new, kept for 12 years- handed down to wife in 2000)

2000 Nissan Maxima (bought new, drove for 7 years until it got hit by someone at a light and totaled)

2004 Infiniti G35S (bought used in 2007 after Maxima totaled)

2008 Infiniti G37S (bought used in 2010 as an upgrade to G35S)

2013 Nissan 370Z touring with sports pkg and all options (bought new in 2013, still own it)

I've never had any issues with any of those cars. I've simply changed the oil filters and consumables like belts, batteries, brake pads.
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Hence why I will never buy American and a bit hesitant about buying German. I made the mistake of buying Italian (2013 Fiat 500 Abarth), and will never do that again. The thing is designed in Italy, engineered in Detroit, and assembled in Mexico. Nope, never again.
I would have thought so, too, but I got my wife a Fiat 500C (convertible) and three years it's still going strong. Plus they offered us (and we took it) an extended warranty on it. But, unlike most extended warranties, this is a lifetime warranty. The only catch is there's a $100 deductible for repairs outside the initial warranty period. So it's covered for any/everything as long as it remains titled in our names. They had to write something on the contract so they put 999,999 miles and 999 months.
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I would have thought so, too, but I got my wife a Fiat 500C (convertible) and three years it's still going strong. Plus they offered us (and we took it) an extended warranty on it. But, unlike most extended warranties, this is a lifetime warranty. The only catch is there's a $100 deductible for repairs outside the initial warranty period. So it's covered for any/everything as long as it remains titled in our names. They had to write something on the contract so they put 999,999 miles and 999 months.
Is that warranty through fiat or through the dealer? Not sure about your area but around here dealers aren't lasting more than 4-5 years before they sell and the new owner don't honor previous contracts.
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Yea dude do yourself the favor and get out. Industry is a joke now. No pay, tool prices jumping through the roof, times getting cut, benefits packages disappearing (can't even get spouses medical), and working like a dog in hot and cold weather. I make 35k more a year now on paper and work 3/4 as hard, 100% paid benefits too, it's just not interesting work and I feel my brain turning to mush so I am now active on forums to try and "remote diag" to stay somewhat smart. Loved MB electronics and not being sarcastic I truly like that stuff but I think I'm sick.
Yeah, I thought about applying with General Dynamics Land Systems to work on Abrams tanks since I was an Abrams tank Crew member when I was in the Army. Really tired of working like a dog for nothing sometimes. Plus, I don't want to destroy my body.

Yeah, you're sick since you love MB electronics lol.
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Here's the list of things i've had to replace on my m3 since i've gotten it 3 years ago.

-Alternator
-Starter
-Fuel Pump
-Various electrical sensors
-Vanos camshaft bolts broke and bent all my valves. Cost $4000 to rebuild vanos and head.
-Replaced old suspension with coilvers
-New brakes/rotors/bushings
-Radiator/water pump/coolant hoses

Guess you can't blame me for wanting to get into Japanese sports cars right? Brutal on the wallet lol
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Couple photos of it for the guy who asked, Laguna Seca Blue on dove grey interior, 6 speed manual

LSB-0409 by Nedal Saba, on Flickr

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Also have a hardtop on it for the winter

LSB-0203 by Nedal Saba, on Flickr
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Going on 7 years, 55k miles no major issues. Only been back to the dealership once for the steering lock recall.
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Nice car Bimmers, but some nice bills too

4 years on my 13 Sport Z 6mt and I did have my front rotors resurfaced a few months back. Steering wheel was shaking just a little during high speed braking. Other then that just fluid changes.
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