Forget HP....do what Colin Chapman always advocated. "Add lightness". My only complaint with the Z is it weighs too much.

I don't find my 2013 Touring with Sports pkg and all options to be dated in the slightest. The only thing I'd see needing updates are the nav screen/audio interfaces to include Android/Apple updates.

But why? Yes, they're cool looking. But compared to everything today those cars are slow, poor-handling, crappy brakes. I think once the generation who is currently robbing their retirement accounts to bid up these types of 1960s and 70s cars are gone, the prices on these will plummet like a rock.

to me that's the best looking mustang, period. also, i highly doubt that their price will plummet.

:iagree:

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

http://www.the370z.com/members/icorm...1-photo-op.jpg

http://www.the370z.com/members/icorm...6358-zandb.jpg

"We" are "Inside" many things. And with the amount of hours I put in at work, I figure I probably make about $19.00 an hour. :bowrofl:

Added some price comparisons...
I didn't include the GT350R because it's out of price range for all 3 here and very hard to get, unless you are Jay Leno and a couple other guys I know.

Don't get me wrong, I am and always will be a Z guy... but these American cars aren't "just" muscle anymore.

That flat-plane 5.2 is amazing... I wish Nissan would get their $h*t together like Ford has finally done. Can you imagine what would happen if you threw boost at that monster?:eek:

Ford Releases Final Details On The GT350's Insane 5.2-Liter Engine


Think they'll make a swap kit for the Z anytime soon?:bowrofl:

Hennessey Performance | 2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 HPE800 Supercharged Upgrade

And Lethal Performance slapped a SC on a 5.0 Coyote and ran 1/4 in 9sec.

But I'm not interested in that... it's about going around a track with twists and turns. :happydance: Adding weight to the front end screws that up.

It always seems to be a cycle... starts with the Europeans, then the Japanese, until the Americans catch up. Right now it's the Americans. Everyone else needs to start again. It will happen... I think the Europeans will start with an affordable v6 with electric motor assist. Then the Japanese, hopefully Nissan, which leaves the Americans trying to play catch-up again. Over and Over... we get to reap the rewards!

I just want a raw driver car. The only thing like a Z is a Porsche Cayman. Nismo compares to a Cayman GT4. Personally, I hate the nanny gadgets on the Z. Traction control and the stupid stability control suck. I don't need the syncro rev match either. I can heal/toe just fine without it. Just my .02.

But can you heel/toe accurately 100% of the time :)

Yeap, old school.

There's NOTHING raw about a Cayman. A Cayman is very dialed in, very predictable, engaging in the most simplified sense of the word. There are extremely rare man against machine moments in the Cayman so to speak, taking away the title of raw in the experience.
The Z is raw because it is dialed in, and mostly predictable, but can get away on you if you're not careful. The Cayman electronics really keep you regulated. You may as well be driving AWD is so computer regulated. But the fact that you can get around corners at such high speeds kind of makes up for the lack of involvement that is provided with the Z. The Z, is a rambunctious, fairly light for its power level vehicle that has muscle car rawness with sports car ability. Just slower than a muscle car and edgier than the finer sports options available. That lack of perfection is what makes a car raw.

Now that I've been driving a lot of higher end cars. It seems the cars that do the most work for you get the highest praise. And then brands than can balance driver involvement with technology like the GT-R get shunned. I don't know WHERE people got the idea the GT-R is soulless. It's incredible. My only issues with the GT-R is size, ride height and feels like you're sitting high. That's why now, after experiencing it I'm not sure I'd buy it, though the power and precision are addicting.
My favorite 911 is the GT-S because the GT-3 is boring on regular roads without breaking laws. If I was tracking a lot. Then I'd take the GT-3. But all you will hear about is the GT-3. Also the GT-S 911, I found more fun to drive than the Cayman S. I do like the GT-3 LOOKS over all the other 911's though.

There is a small minority of reviewers that are starting to come around to the fact that with all the electronics going in to performance cars these days it is taking away from the driving experience and that cars like the 370Z are part of a dieing breed and very special in their own right

I tried to convince my friend to get a 370z, he ended up with a Cayman S and dam is it nice. It sounds better than my car, shifts better. I still like how the Z look more but he ordered a crazy wing, suspension and expensive wheels. We'll see how it turns out. Dam that inline 6 or whatever sounds so much better than the Z at WOT.

Cat back for the Z and done

fast intentions here... not even close to as sounding as good. I like the VQ engine and all but lets be real here its no inline 6 sound.

Got one of these at work too. Took this pic last week, looks like the guy just picked it up. NICE!!

http://www.the370z.com/members/icorm...e91104-gts.jpg

You mean H6 ;)

That torque kicks in at a much lower RPM on the GT-S over the GT-3. So you get more response out the engine in low speed driving. In my opinion, the GT-S is the most driver focused 911. So whoever bought that car, chose well...:tup:

All in all, you have to admit that now is the best time to be a car enthusiast.

What were muscle cars back in the late 60's and early 70's are considered slow by today's performance levels. Today's cars will also turn and stop. Yes, today's car may have a bunch of electronic "nannies", but dang, they are fast!

I remember when cars such as the 930 Turbo was king. It was fast but it was also a handful to drive. When accelerating, the car was not all that fast until you hit 4K rpm and then all hell broke loose! Today's cars have way more power but are very controllable by comparison.

I'm glad that I get to experience what might be the golden age of the automobile!

considering the late 90's and 2000's had very small fleet of sports cars in the affordable range it's been rough.

glad that now that I have some purchasing power there are a lot more cars on the market to compare and more coming down the pipeline.

Are you comparing to your Z's stock exhaust? A Prius sounds better than a Z stock. Put an HKS Hi-Power, or ArmyTrix catback on your Z and then compare.

Regarding sound, are you talking about the sound from the inside of the car?

I'm talking about the exhaust note.. Its a little raspy but sounds way more race car status than the Z. The modified 370z exhaust note is not even close to as good sounding as even the regular VQ35 when that thing was turboed. I've also heard Fast Intentions twin turbo Z's and still expected more grunt and presence.

It's a flat six. No inline for Porsche.

Thanks for answering. Good friend of mine has a Cayman and not the S but he prefers my exhaust note over his. He calls his the farty one and mine the tenor. Which I felt was a pretty fair assessment.

But when I rode inside his car, I thought it sounded very nice.

This Z sounds pretty ridiculous :twocents:

When you put money into your exhaust
https://youtu.be/lsbKYSMpY8g

Seriously, Mustangs are also good sports cars.

Only one problem is that there are too many on the street.

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7th Generation just announced for 2021. That's, what? 2.5 generations compared to the 370Z?

Does this kay.zee guy get banned a lot?

He keeps coming back.... His posts as jungle z are some of the most idiotic, sophomoric, juvenile, imbecilic, moronic, simple, insignificant, blunder filled, unreal posting I've ever seen. He makes trolls seem like honorable people.

Tell us how you really feel, Unknown.

And half of them are the wimpy versions.

Now that the S550 Mustang has been out for awhile, y'all should know it has become the number 1 selling Sports Car in Germany. That's a pretty big deal. IMO the 370Z doesn't get the credit it deserves. It's a fantastic ride. The new Mustangs are also home runs especially for their entry price points.

Z is a true performance car not a muscle car. Its refined and a corner carver....for enthusiasts. The interior is unimportant to me...less is more and simple is better. I owned a hellcat ....boring, unreliable, overpriced, and handled like a boat...but better then a rustang.

even the s550, still does not deliver the same feel as the Z, its just a big hunk of metal that goes fast.
I drove the AT variant and I could send text messages in between gear shifts and yes it was in sport mode.

the hood is awkwardly placed, car feels large, base seats are bad.

Funny how an 09Z still feels overall better than a '15 GT.

In my mind that is the void that Motordyne fills, which is exactly why I went with it.