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jwick 02-18-2015 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115366)
easy now lol

the GT-R is a thing of beauty in my eyes. :stirthepot:
Sorry...brought family into an argument with an Italian. Be gentle:rofl2:

FPenvy 02-18-2015 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3115367)
These the same eyes that give you so much confidence???

Explains a lot:stirthepot:
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3115369)
Sorry...brought family into an argument with an Italian. Be gentle:rofl2:
:bowrofl:

go get the lube and it wont be as rough :yum:

VABAM 02-18-2015 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115373)
:bowrofl:

go get the lube and it wont be as rough :yum:
http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/popcorn.gif

jpkirk 02-18-2015 11:41 AM
You know, if the new Z has an AT that shifts a little faster ... And frankly, I like the idea of not having to move my hand from the wheel to the shifter every few seconds. At speed it is good to have your hands on the wheel. Used to be you could get shift kits to boost performance of auto transmissions. What's up with that?

I was on the fence when I got my Z. I decided the Syncro revmatch was sufficient automation for me. But, I was almost there.

mishuko 02-18-2015 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115355)
you shut your mouth! that's blasphemy.



that's the argument I never really understand. the automatic in the Z is a lot of fun and the GT-R with a DCT is a dream.

think about it for a second. a MT is a pain in the ass for everyday driving.

the part where driving gets fun is pedal to the floor, on a track, on the dragon or twisties, etc....

balls out the AT is just as fun if not more than a MT. yes the MT diehards will argue the MT you have more control and feel blah blah blah.

it's all the same......just minus a pedal. either model you're control shifts, RPMs, which gear you want going in and out of corners. yes the AT you cant jump 4th to 2nd or 5th to 3rd or whatever needs to be done. but it's still fun and useful.

now no more MT v AT talk. I like this thread too much lol

:tiphat:
well to be fair older AT's were not as efficient and control was not the same. heck even in the 07 IS250/350 AT's the paddle control was sloppy. compared to 15' IS's which has so much better control.

i said this before but i can see in the next 5-10 years auto's being the norm and manuals will not exist in production anymore with how technology is coming along. power loss will be insignificant, shifts ARE faster (in newer auto's / entry level luxury lines), heck it's arguable it's safer as you're focusing on driving as opposed to shifting.

that being said i'm still glad i get to learn the MT skill.

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115373)
:bowrofl:

go get the lube and it wont be as rough :yum:
:gtfo2: no lube or bust.

FPenvy 02-18-2015 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mishuko (Post 3115413)
well to be fair older AT's were not as efficient and control was not the same. heck even in the 07 IS250/350 AT's the paddle control was sloppy. compared to 15' IS's which has so much better control.

i said this before but i can see in the next 5-10 years auto's being the norm and manuals will not exist in production anymore with how technology is coming along. power loss will be insignificant, shifts ARE faster (in newer auto's / entry level luxury lines), heck it's arguable it's safer as you're focusing on driving as opposed to shifting.

that being said i'm still glad i get to learn the MT skill.



:gtfo2: no lube or bust.
yea I agree there have been some just god awful paddle shifted ATs in the past 5 years or so. most fall short but that makes me happy that the Z's is so good. test drove both the MT and AT when I was buying. tested 3 MTs and after my first AT test I was sold. Nissan got it right.

lets ho the next Z they hit another home run with the AT.

but I also agree with learning how to drive a stick is a good skill to have. the joke anymore is a stick is the worlds best anti-theft device lol

as for lube......blood is natures lube :yum:

jpkirk 02-18-2015 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115424)

as for lube......blood is natures lube :yum:
:eek:

:icon14: really? :icon14:

Read T 02-18-2015 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09 (Post 3114130)
Hope it's true. Oh, and under 3000lbs would be nice too.
Would you rather the next gen be:

1) The same weight with 400hp
2) The same power with 400lbs less weight

Firebase99 02-18-2015 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Read T (Post 3115440)
Would you rather the next gen be:

1) The same weight with 400hp
2) The same power with 400lbs less weight
Oh man...good question. Probably 2. But it REALLY had to be 400 fewer pounds WITHOUT gas.

FPenvy 02-18-2015 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Read T (Post 3115440)
Would you rather the next gen be:

1) The same weight with 400hp
2) The same power with 400lbs less weight
I say option 1 based on the engine itself. if we get a boosted V6 from factory it opens up more possibilities for power where slight tweaks or a tune can make the factor of not shedding weight irrelevant.

look at the tenability of a GT-R or BMW 335. couple breathers and a tune and you're gaining 100WHP most cases.

the problem with boost and the current Z is that we're boosting a factory N/A motor. usually never ends well. but a boosted factory motor would be nice to play with and help us in the long run.

if Nissan builds a block as solid as the GT-R's for the Z it'll have great potential.

Firebase99 02-18-2015 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115453)
I say option 1 based on the engine itself. if we get a boosted V6 from factory it opens up more possibilities for power where slight tweaks or a tune can make the factor of not shedding weight irrelevant.

look at the tenability of a GT-R or BMW 335. couple breathers and a tune and you're gaining 100WHP most cases.

the problem with boost and the current Z is that we're boosting a factory N/A motor. usually never ends well. but a boosted factory motor would be nice to play with and help us in the long run.

if Nissan builds a block as solid as the GT-R's for the Z it'll have great potential.
Maybe youre right...I just imaging my old 370 with 70 more HP...sweet. But having a 3000 pound car with 332 HP certainly makes a good argument too.

theDreamer 02-18-2015 12:16 PM
I hear all new Nissan cars will only come with CVT, minus the GTR....:stirthepot:

Haboob 02-18-2015 12:21 PM
TT 400hp is enticing, but I think there'd have to be several other design changes to get me into another Z.

Maybe... and no price increase.

FPenvy 02-18-2015 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3115466)
I hear all new Nissan cars will only come with CVT, minus the GTR....:stirthepot:
don't put those demons on us lol

theDreamer 02-18-2015 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115478)
don't put those demons on us lol
:rofl2:
I think Nissan is smart enough not to do that, though I tend to agree that the auto will probably be pushed more next generation. The manual is good, but better tech, ease to drive, etc will turn the tide for people to just buy the auto. Heck, even one of my friends who is 100% manual guy got to take out a c7 with the 8 speed auto and came back saying he does not want to drive his manual vette anymore.

jwick 02-18-2015 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3115466)
I hear all new Nissan cars will only come with CVT, minus the GTR....:stirthepot:
Yeah cuz there are no issues with the transmission in the Rogue:rofl2:

FPenvy 02-18-2015 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3115479)
:rofl2:
I think Nissan is smart enough not to do that, though I tend to agree that the auto will probably be pushed more next generation. The manual is good, but better tech, ease to drive, etc will turn the tide for people to just buy the auto. Heck, even one of my friends who is 100% manual guy got to take out a c7 with the 8 speed auto and came back saying he does not want to drive his manual vette anymore.
yea the advances in auto tech and refining it all is finally coming to cars other than the top Italian supercars.

as for Nissan look at every 15 nismo I've seen at the shows or press release kinda thing is always the 7AT tech with nav. they are pushing the new features hard for it.

jwick 02-18-2015 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115453)
the problem with boost and the current Z is that we're boosting a factory N/A motor. usually never ends well. but a boosted factory motor would be nice to play with and help us in the long run.
Nissan has provided a pretty good NA platform to boost with this HR motor. Plenty of guys pushing over twice the factory rating. The key is proper tuning.

FPenvy 02-18-2015 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3115483)
Nissan has provided a pretty good NA platform to boost with this HR motor. Plenty of guys pushing over twice the factory rating. The key is proper tuning.
yea with e85.

none of those builds would hold 600 stock block as solid without it. tuning is a huge factor but on pump gas I don't think it would be the same.

jwick 02-18-2015 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115484)
yea with e85.

none of those builds would hold 600 stock block as solid without it. tuning is a huge factor but on pump gas I don't think it would be the same.
Not true. Terrible was running 55Xish whp on 91 oct.

jwick 02-18-2015 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115484)
yea with e85.

none of those builds would hold 600 stock block as solid without it. tuning is a huge factor but on pump gas I don't think it would be the same.
And E85 is not magic. At some point you are just dealing with stress from the pressure regardless if its running cooler.

carlitos_370z 02-18-2015 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115484)
yea with e85.

none of those builds would hold 600 stock block as solid without it. tuning is a huge factor but on pump gas I don't think it would be the same.
Ill be more than happy if i install a TT kit in my Z and run 450 to 500 whp on pump gas... I think is more safety and very fun to drive :stirthepot:

FPenvy 02-18-2015 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3115487)
Not true. Terrible was running 55Xish whp on 91 oct.
oh I know :yum:

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3115489)
And E85 is not magic. At some point you are just dealing with stress from the pressure regardless if its running cooler.
yes but most people on pump typically are tuned to 550whp for safety reasons which i'm not mad at. that's a lot of power and from what I've seen a safe number for a stock block.

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Originally Posted by carlitos_370z (Post 3115498)
Ill be more than happy if i install a TT kit in my Z and run 450 to 500 whp on pump gas... I think is more safety and very fun to drive :stirthepot:
exactly. until you get froggy, build the block, and pump that boost up :driving:

carlitos_370z 02-18-2015 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3115511)
yes but most people on pump typically are tuned to 550whp for safety reasons which i'm not mad at. that's a lot of power and from what I've seen a safe number for a stock block.



exactly. until you get froggy, build the block, and pump that boost up :driving:
AMEN BRO!!! :tup:

edk370 02-18-2015 01:30 PM
Geez...I wouldn't even buy a 2015 GTR at $85K. If I was hellbent on getting a GTR I'd get the R32 GT-R. That's the classic one!

bullitt5897 02-18-2015 01:43 PM
The item that makes the GTR so bulletproof is the fact that each motor is hand built to tight tolerances similar to other highend exotics. the next VQ will not get that treatment.

jwick 02-18-2015 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3115569)
The item that makes the GTR so bulletproof is the fact that each motor is hand built to tight tolerances similar to other highend exotics. the next VQ will not get that treatment.
Now only if they hand built the transmission to the same standards:rofl2:

Jgghanem 02-18-2015 03:49 PM
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2016-in...135004627.html

Seems all the more likely the z35 will be at 400hp as mentioned by the OP, as Infiniti has shared engines between the two cars.

bullitt5897 02-18-2015 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3115644)
Now only if they hand built the transmission to the same standards:rofl2:
You got to cut costs somewhere lol

MC 02-18-2015 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3115644)
Now only if they hand built the transmission to the same standards:rofl2:


that would have been a good little jab at the GTR if it was 2008

Firebase99 02-18-2015 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgghanem (Post 3115679)
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2016-in...135004627.html

Seems all the more likely the z35 will be at 400hp as mentioned by the OP, as Infiniti has shared engines between the two cars.
Or 450....hell yes!!!!

Jgghanem 02-18-2015 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3115686)
Or 450....hell yes!!!!
400hp for a base and 450hp for a NISMO spec? One can dream...

FPenvy 02-18-2015 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jgghanem (Post 3115679)
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/2016-in...135004627.html



Seems all the more likely the z35 will be at 400hp as mentioned by the OP, as Infiniti has shared engines between the two cars.

Technically nissan shares with infiniti but nice find :tup:

Thanks for the link :)

Firebase99 02-18-2015 04:55 PM
Imagine a 120 hp increase?? Holy Geezuz...be running with the big boys. Did I say "Forget competing with the GT4", if this is the case...bring it on!! Wont be as refined or balanced but it wont be a hundred grand either. Ill take mine in white, tan leather, NAV and targa top please. Take my money!!

Read T 02-18-2015 06:41 PM
How many will we see wrapped around trees within the first week.

brucelidat 02-18-2015 06:45 PM
most of the ones owned by people under the age of 30

Firebase99 02-18-2015 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3115817)
most of the ones owned by people under the age of 30
Not if its $50k!! Perfect money for top end model. Below C7 and Cayman S with the specs to run with it.

zguynate 02-18-2015 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Read T (Post 3115814)
How many will we see wrapped around trees within the first week.
I wouldn't say that many..... How many 5.0 mustangs are out there? Just because the Z would make 400hp doesn't mean that there aren't and havent been other cars out that do the same.

Firebase99 02-18-2015 07:52 PM
I dont give a rats *** how many are wrapped around a tree. $50K for 450HP, NAV, leather, targa....Im in one ASAP. So excited!!

zeeder 02-18-2015 10:58 PM
Here's hoping it will have a telescoping steering wheel!


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