The NISMO redeems itself...ish
 

I've been somewhat vocal about the NISMO 370Z's shortfalls and how it has failed to impress in every documented test/comparison we've seen. From US magazines to Best Motoring Tsukuba Battles, the NISMO always seemed to lag behind other competitors, not to mention the Base/Sport, being the topic of several heated threads on this forum.

Finally, it seems as if the NISMO has finished a test on pace with other performance-cars. In a Best Motoring video posted on YouTube just yesterday, the NISMO 370Z "battles" a TOM's-tuned IS-F, STI Spec-C, NSX-R, and a Ralliart Evo X. All except for the IS-F posted a somewhat mediocre 1:06.xxx lap-time around Tsukuba, but it is a feat for the Z to almost tie the NSX-R, none the less.

To those who previously bashed Best Motoring videos...feel free to hold the same opinion now that the NISMO wasn't embarrassed. Discredit the testing as unfair, biased, inconclusive, and inconsistent. I am, however, just presenting more information to draw conclusions off of, as I try to do a pretty good job holding no bias one way or the other...

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at 28 sec, these are the sport package tires. i thought the nismo comes with yokohama advan with 285 mm rear width ?????

Also wats an evo x ralliart? The ralliart is a mid level lancer model above the base but slower and cheaper than the evolution.



At 3:18 HOLY ****! That's a FAST shift!

Let's get a Best Motoring race between a Nismo 370, Sport 370 and Base 370. Throw a Nismo 350 and Base 350 in there to mix it up too.

Hehe, well said.

ralliart is mitsubishi racing division.its like their nismo.

Yah, id like to see how the Base 6MT does against the group.

Nissan shouldve just released the Nismo as a "Track" edition and put more real perf mods on the Nismo to keep up with the Porsches and Vettes...

But that's just me. :p

Interesting

if that was the Nismo why does it have navi???

because in japan not having navi is like a car without a steering wheel. :D

"ill kick all your f-king asses when the LF-A comes" says the tom's driver. :D hahaha.

370z's in japan are not held to the safety standards here in the US. This Z May Possibly be 200 or 300 lbs lighter and may be using better quality internal parts. My friend in the service lived in japan 10 years. In that time he owned a bluebird, skyline and fairlady. He said the nissans in japan are a different breed. Much much better than the ones shipped to america. So for our soil. This article is extremely subjective.

Fun looking track to drive. Not sure about the "bumper" car driving though. I'd like to see individual lap times (ran solo) to see what car/driver could put down the best times.

Also in japan cars are 300 to 500 lbs lighter cuz they don't have as strict regulations on metallurgy and safety equipment. This is y this japan test is almost invalid to compare to the american Z.
That being said. Rip out ur airbag system. Add more carbon fiber/titanium n aluminum parts and u hav a japanese Z. That can change the dynamics greatly and wouldn't be surpised if the japanese Z is 2900lbs.

Please go back and slap whoever it was that made you believe this. They deserve it. It's not your fault.

The rest of your post is just a face-palm...

It's Japan's way of payback for the 2 nukes. ;)

JDM and Europe (not 100% sure) Nismo's get most of the options the std Z's are offered. Leather, mp3, Nav etc. etc.. It was the same story with the Nismo 350. We always get shafted here in the states with this no options Nismo enhanced base Z nonsense. :shakes head:

Great stuff! I love watching Best Motoring. Sucks the Nismo Z34 didn't place as high as some of us would have liked but oh well. Entertaining to say the least.

Canada doesnt even get the nismo at all. THe 350 nismo never made it here. The handful of 350 nismos here were all imported american models. And so far, there's no indication the 370 nismo will be here either

:icon18: we better overnight one of those puppies from Japan yo! :ugh2:

There is no nismo in europe

lmao

The only one round here need slappin is you.
This has been an issue in many a car magazine, over and over and over again.
This is y they never wanted to send over the GTR and skyline. Nissan felt that to bring the name over the US needed to either let go of some of its retrictions to keep the integrity of the car or not send them. The US wouldn't make the exception so they opted out.
They made an agreement that we would get a version of the skyline in the infiniti G37.
This car is not as capable as a skyline. If it were? Tuners wouldn't be ordering 5 year old skylines from japan at new G37 prices.
So now u r just really tryin to sell this NISMO thing to the public so bad that anything that pops ya lil dream of havin the best car on the forum pisses u off. Well get over it dude.
You went from a touring (with NO SPORT PKG) to a NISMO, so I'm sure u feel improvements and after taking a nasty loss in depreciation to buy "the best Z" n brag about it. I'm sure u were expecting this car to kick the base sport a$$. Sorry u didn't wait for the reviews. Sh1t happens!
Now u stuck on the internet trying to find any bit of info that will change the minds of the 70% of people the NISMO Isn't worth it so u can justify taking a $4k+ loss. I feel u. But the slaps keep comin to your face n out ya a$$ "bruh"
Truth is the nismo is a nice track car on a general level but by comparison of its understudy, its a fail. Plain and simple. It gets .01g more than sport cuz it has wider tires. Any fool can purchase a $2,500 in a wheel n tire package in $350 sways n get .99g.
The 350z was a much better track car dollar for dollar cuz of all its "TRUE" track enhancements, like chassis strengthening, and dampening, weight reduction instead of gaining 50lbs. Plus a few extra to list.
Like I said once b4. The nismo is a great car, and has no competition in its price range. So its a good car. But when u compare it to its brother. Its a fail at a $6,000 price hike.
Just look at a NISMO 350 and it tells u the whole story.
If the nismo was 36,000 from the base sports 33000. I would say great package. Jump on it. At 39,700. Lol. You gotta be kiddin me!

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And I thought today was going to be another boring day on campus.

So you are attacking a guy because he upgraded from a base Z to the Nismo (which I agree is a joke but is still an upgrade over the base that he had) Yet you are the one talking about how they use more carbon fiber and titanium on the "Japanese version"? :gtfo2:

:roflpuke2:

Kinda the same reason I bought the American version of the Mustang because the block and internals are built out of Unobtanium so it cannot break :tiphat:

:rofl2: :drama:

Hey, stuck in class, can you grab me some coffee, need to stay awake for this thread (class is just a bonus).

Huh... they use more lightweight materials cuz safety regs are far less stringent. Cars are lighter. I'm not attacking him. I'm just stating facts. Maybe if he wasn't tellin me to slap people in the face n make racial (guido comments it wouldn't come out the way it did. And it did. And wat? Wats ur point? I'm just beon real. Speak with respevct n u will be respected. Talk down to people n u will get the same in return. I'm not attacking him. I'm just giving back what I'm getting.

First, please use full words and sentences, makes your arguments a bit better and easier for others.
Second, you come in here stating "facts" that Nissan Japan cars using lighter material but with no links to real facts. Provide some, current, data on this and we will believe it but until then..well you see what happens.

He didnt just tell you to slap people...he told you to slap yourself :bowrofl:

Where did he go racial? I see that no where in the slap yourself post... Secondly please please please tell me you are really joking about a Japanese version that is lighter because it uses more light weight materials. Even if (which I dont know the regulations in japan) they are less stringent on safety and lets say they dont require the airbags and such you are talking 30-50 lbs at most of removed safety equipment. and that is saying the even bother to remove it (which I also highly doubt) but I can tell you for sure that they do not manufacture separate parts that are made of carbon fiber or titanium and are lighter. Please tell me you arent that ignorant.

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pass the popcorn please!

Hey Maybe when I am done with my TTZ build I can have them run it lol LF-A, GTR, NSX and whatever they got verses and American modded Z34 :D Ohhh I think a 600whp Z could do some damage hehehe

and just so you dont think I am being racist or putting you down

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BTW, numbers for the JDM that I found have the weights ranging from 3,262 lbs to 3,373 lbs. In fact, this website (�y“úŽY �VŒ^ ƒtƒFƒAƒŒƒfƒBZ �VŽÔ�î•ñ�z40”N–Ú‚ÌNEW Z‚Í�u‘–‚è�v‚Ì�i‰»‚É“Á‰»‚µ‚½�I 6‘ã–Ú �VŒ^�uƒtƒFƒAƒŒƒfƒBZ�v�Aƒfƒrƒ…�[�I :: CORISM) has it at 3351 lbs. I do expect that reported weight to be heavier than what it currently is, considering the article was in 12/2008, so since then there has been some small weight shaving and refinement of the vehicle.

Compare that to US spec: 3,232 to 3,300 for base 370Z to Nismo 370Z, respectively, I think it's within 'noise'. That is, the weights are comparatively equal, and your argument just went out the door.

Phelan, why are you using logic, that is not how you win on the internet. :p

Dude, do u not read your enthusiast mags? Some of this stuff is just known facts. That come across often in many atricles. Especially if u r reading import tuner, project car etc.
I don't have an article off hand but I guarantee u research it online n u will find it. They are allowed to use more carbon fiber in production cars than we are. We have the toughest safety standards for cars in the whole world. And this is why our cars keep gaining weight.
Do I have to find a link for that too for you? Titanium is expensive metal. Nissan would have to price the Z more than americans are willing to pay so its not used here. Its not used in abundance in japan either but it is widely used in japans aftermarket. Something we can't say here either. We just don't hardly produce any titanium aftermarket parts.
They are more serious over there about tuning. Just keepin it real. Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.

I have spent the last 20 minutes searching for Japanese motor vehicle safety regulations with any relation to what was stated and havent found anything... except that they are some of the most strict in the world.