Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234607)

Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.

Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 234614)

:drama: Some soda anyone?

Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234607)

Dude, do u not read your enthusiast mags? Some of this stuff is just known facts. That come across often in many atricles. Especially if u r reading import tuner, project car etc.
I don't have an article off hand but I guarantee u research it online n u will find it. They are allowed to use more carbon fiber in production cars than we are. We have the toughest safety standards for cars in the whole world. And this is why our cars keep gaining weight.
Do I have to find a link for that too for you? Titanium is expensive metal. Nissan would have to price the Z more than americans are willing to pay so its not used here. Its not used in abundance in japan either but it is widely used in japans aftermarket. Something we can't say here either. We just don't hardly produce any titanium aftermarket parts.
They are more serious over there about tuning. Just keepin it real. Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.

Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234607)

Dude, do u not read your enthusiast mags? Some of this stuff is just known facts. That come across often in many atricles. Especially if u r reading import tuner, project car etc.
I don't have an article off hand but I guarantee u research it online n u will find it. They are allowed to use more carbon fiber in production cars than we are. We have the toughest safety standards for cars in the whole world. And this is why our cars keep gaining weight.
Do I have to find a link for that too for you? Titanium is expensive metal. Nissan would have to price the Z more than americans are willing to pay so its not used here. Its not used in abundance in japan either but it is widely used in japans aftermarket. Something we can't say here either. We just don't hardly produce any titanium aftermarket parts.
They are more serious over there about tuning. Just keepin it real. Americans can't fathom a 70k Z. But in europe and asia. That's what they pay. So they get more.

Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234518)

The only one round here need slappin is you.
This has been an issue in many a car magazine, over and over and over again.
This is y they never wanted to send over the GTR and skyline. Nissan felt that to bring the name over the US needed to either let go of some of its retrictions to keep the integrity of the car or not send them. The US wouldn't make the exception so they opted out.
They made an agreement that we would get a version of the skyline in the infiniti G37.
This car is not as capable as a skyline. If it were? Tuners wouldn't be ordering 5 year old skylines from japan at new G37 prices.
So now u r just really tryin to sell this NISMO thing to the public so bad that anything that pops ya lil dream of havin the best car on the forum pisses u off. Well get over it dude.
You went from a touring (with NO SPORT PKG) to a NISMO, so I'm sure u feel improvements and after taking a nasty loss in depreciation to buy "the best Z" n brag about it. I'm sure u were expecting this car to kick the base sport a$$. Sorry u didn't wait for the reviews. Sh1t happens!
Now u stuck on the internet trying to find any bit of info that will change the minds of the 70% of people the NISMO Isn't worth it so u can justify taking a $4k+ loss. I feel u. But the slaps keep comin to your face n out ya a$$ "bruh"
Truth is the nismo is a nice track car on a general level but by comparison of its understudy, its a fail. Plain and simple. It gets .01g more than sport cuz it has wider tires. Any fool can purchase a $2,500 in a wheel n tire package in $350 sways n get .99g.
The 350z was a much better track car dollar for dollar cuz of all its "TRUE" track enhancements, like chassis strengthening, and dampening, weight reduction instead of gaining 50lbs. Plus a few extra to list.
Like I said once b4. The nismo is a great car, and has no competition in its price range. So its a good car. But when u compare it to its brother. Its a fail at a $6,000 price hike.
Just look at a NISMO 350 and it tells u the whole story.
If the nismo was 36,000 from the base sports 33000. I would say great package. Jump on it. At 39,700. Lol. You gotta be kiddin me!

Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234327)

Also in japan cars are 300 to 500 lbs lighter cuz they don't have as strict regulations on metallurgy and safety equipment. This is y this japan test is almost invalid to compare to the american Z.
That being said. Rip out ur airbag system. Add more carbon fiber/titanium n aluminum parts and u hav a japanese Z. That can change the dynamics greatly and wouldn't be surpised if the japanese Z is 2900lbs.

Originally Posted by phelan (Post 234639)

mod i can't see no pics!

Originally Posted by chief_Roka (Post 234518)

Anything that pops ya lil dream of havin the best car on the forum pisses u off.

Originally Posted by shumby (Post 234660)

I pooped 10 mins ago. it was good. I love lamp. Loud noises

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 234665)

In Russia, does it hurt more?

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 234698)

Where do you want it to go?
I am sure we could go down a new street this forum has not seen. ;)

Originally Posted by Nismo_370 (Post 234661)

:roflpuke2: :iagree:
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Originally Posted by Technik330 (Post 234718)

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I can appreciate the points that the "chief" is trying to make, but the car isn't going to be hundreds of pounds lighter,200+ lbs, period. If for some reason it is, you wont see it in the 370 price range.

This can be exmaplified in several car manufacturers. Subaru has a Spec C STI which utilizes a "lighter" aluminum trunk then the US Spec GDB-D/E/F/G chasis. It reduces the trunk lid weight by an extremely generous, maybe 4-5+ lbs(Check Japanparts.com). The seats may be lighter as well, but overall you might shed 60-80, maybe even 100lbs at most, collectively, with the trunk, seats, etc.

BMW actually went pretty extreme with the CSL, but the weight reduction, I believe, wasn't sevreal hundred lbs. The CSL utilized a carbon roof, a plastic trunk, carbon shell'd seats and door panels...no a/c or power seats, radio, etc. The end result was maybe 100-150lbs, net loss. Keep in mind the car gained weight from the SMG transmission, larger more aggressive brakes, and larger wheels / tires as well. So collectively you're net weight loss isn't insane, but it's definitely there.

Again, I appreciate the points being brought up, and respect them. I, as a newer member on this forum, want facts. I'm aware some of my info may be slightly off, a couple pounds, maybe more, but I can assure you my accuracy is far closer than that of other presented information.

Feel free to check Japanparts.com for info on the STI Spec C Parts, for weights, and check M3forum for info on the CSL. I've been a member of the BMW, Subaru, and Honda communities, again, feel free to search what I posted. I'm not seeking to disrespect anyone, not by any means, I just want the correct info.

Thanks,

-Chris

Originally Posted by phelan (Post 234723)

^ ooh, a logical argument. It's spelled exemplified though ;)

When you mention the Spec C STI aluminum trunk though, bear in mind (and tell me if I'm wrong on this!) that the Z is already largely built out of aluminum. Without going carbon fiber a la CSL, there really isn't a lot of weight reduction to be had without aggressively setting up the car for racing.

Good man, Technik, welcome to the 370Z forum

Originally Posted by Technik330 (Post 234718)

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I can appreciate the points that the "chief" is trying to make, but the car isn't going to be hundreds of pounds lighter,200+ lbs, period. If for some reason it is, you wont see it in the 370 price range.

This can be exemplified in several car manufacturers. Subaru has a Spec C STI which utilizes a "lighter" aluminum trunk then the US Spec GDB-D/E/F/G chasis. It reduces the trunk lid weight by an extremely generous, maybe 4-5+ lbs(Check Japanparts.com). The seats may be lighter as well, but overall you might shed 60-80, maybe even 100lbs at most, collectively, with the trunk, seats, etc.

BMW actually went pretty extreme with the CSL, but the weight reduction, I believe, wasn't sevreal hundred lbs. The CSL utilized a carbon roof, a plastic trunk, carbon shell'd seats and door panels...no a/c or power seats, radio, etc. The end result was maybe 100-150lbs, net loss. Keep in mind the car gained weight from the SMG transmission, larger more aggressive brakes, and larger wheels / tires as well. So collectively you're net weight loss isn't insane, but it's definitely there.

Again, I appreciate the points being brought up, and respect them. I, as a newer member on this forum, want facts. I'm aware some of my info may be slightly off, a couple pounds, maybe more, but I can assure you my accuracy is far closer than that of other presented information.

Feel free to check Japanparts.com for info on the STI Spec C Parts, for weights, and check M3forum for info on the CSL. I've been a member of the BMW, Subaru, and Honda communities, again, feel free to search what I posted. I'm not seeking to disrespect anyone, not by any means, I just want the correct info.

Thanks,

-Chris

Originally Posted by JoeD (Post 234738)

This post is a fail, not because you are wrong, but because you are addressing the guy's point incorrectly.

In his nonsensical tirade, he mentioned cars over-seas being 300-500 lbs. lighter due to the "lack of safety regulations" and "metallurgy." He really is under the impression that cars in Japan don't have bumper-supports, side-impact beams, or perhaps even frame-rails. :)

You are correct, though...there are lighter, more race-oriented trims levels sold elsewhere, and the Spec-C and CSL are good examples. They are not, however, related to his profound and eloquent points of view. :)

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 234782)

Since this thread has deteriorated into a discussion of weight, you might want to see what it really means in real life application. 100lbs = only a tenth of a second in the quarter.
Per the calculator it takes 10hp to make up that 100lbs...Drop a few lbs or add a few HP, it's all the same in the end..

Play with your own numbers here: 1/4 Mile ET Calculator

Originally Posted by Technik330 (Post 234779)

LMAO, a fail is lame, I'd go with a factual tangent- :tup:

I should've posted a little more specifically, the cars I mentioned are cars that aren't available here due to our DOT regulations, which make them lighter, more agile, quicker etc becuase they can avoid these regulations.

I was going to use the glass in JDM Hondas; of which I wouldn't call safe glass, like we have here. It's lighter, but breaks into sharper pieces, not like DOT glass here. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong- The cars I noted are cogent examples of what he's eluding to, less safety, better materials, higher cost

Thanks,

-Chris

Originally Posted by Technik330 (Post 234789)

That's a valid fact, but weight reduction goes further than "drag" racing- lighter weight is beneficial in braking, handling, and general acceleration in and out of turns, etc.

Originally Posted by Nismo_370 (Post 234791)

Don't worry man... he would still find a way to poop on your post even if you specified it better...he is a pro:roflpuke2: