NOVA/DC/MD - Z's & Coffee Saturday's at 10AM in Fairfax, VA & Columbia, MD

eastwest2300 · 02-08-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Masa

Awwwwwyeaaaaa. Just dropped money on new tires. :|

$1100 smackarooos!

Lucky you..

XwChriswX · 02-08-2013, 07:54 AM

Hey EW...

eastwest2300 · 02-08-2013, 07:58 AM

what up duuuuuude?

XwChriswX · 02-08-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

what up duuuuuude?

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eastwest2300 · 02-08-2013, 08:00 AM

Brother, Im not sure if Im gonna be able to make it to Columbia tomorrow, dude the inside of my S2000 is completely gutted, Im dead serious. Before I put everything together, I'd like to insulate the inside with the crapload of GTmat I just bought.

XwChriswX · 02-08-2013, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Brother, Im not sure if Im gonna be able to make it to Columbia tomorrow, dude the inside of my S2000 is completely gutted, Im dead serious. Before I put everything together, I'd like to insulate the inside with the crapload of GTmat I just bought.

No worries bud. Just bring it up when you're finished. I'd be interested to see how it turns out.

eastwest2300 · 02-08-2013, 08:03 AM

Dude, the seats look amazing, I really thought it out before I installed the sensors, so I wouldnt have to go back and fix something, when Im done, its gonna look like a factory installed upgrade.

m4a1mustang · 02-08-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Brother, Im not sure if Im gonna be able to make it to Columbia tomorrow, dude the inside of my S2000 is completely gutted, Im dead serious. Before I put everything together, I'd like to insulate the inside with the crapload of GTmat I just bought.

Dude... STOP

b1adesofcha0s · 02-08-2013, 08:22 AM

I thought you were going to bring the Z if the s2k wasn't done?

m4a1mustang · 02-08-2013, 08:28 AM

Dee and anyone else that is trying to use Dynamat/GTMat/Fatmat/etc...

This stuff is designed to dampen panel resonance. It's NOT an effective non-structure-borne sound absorption or dampening material. What it is good at is adding mass to a panel to change the resonant frequency and cut back on panel noise (structure-borne.) To do this effectively, you only need to cover 25% of a panel. You don't need to cover the entire panel as that's a complete waste.

If you want to block sound, you need closed cell foam and mass loaded vinyl. You place a layer of CCF on top of the panel to act as a decoupler for the layer of MLV you add on top. THAT is what blocks sound effectively.

This is a great resource for effective and efficient sound deadening: http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi

XwChriswX · 02-08-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Dee and anyone else that is trying to use Dynamat/GTMat/Fatmat/etc...

This stuff is designed to dampen panel resonance. It's NOT an effective sound absorption or dampening material. What it is good at is adding mass to a panel to change the resonant frequency and cut back on panel noise. To do this effectively, you only need to cover 25% of a panel. You don't need to cover the entire panel as that's a complete waste.

If you want to block sound, you need closed cell foam and mass loaded vinyl. You place a layer of CCF on top of the panel to act as a decoupler for the later of MLV you add on top. THAT is what blocks sound effectively.

This is a great resource for effective and efficient sound deadening: Sound Deadener Showdown - Your Source for Sound Deadening Products and Information

So if I just wanted to stop exhaust resonance from causing rattles inside the door/hatch/cabin, I should not do this you say??

dmhenderson · 02-08-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Dee and anyone else that is trying to use Dynamat/GTMat/Fatmat/etc...

This stuff is designed to dampen panel resonance. It's NOT an effective non-structure-borne sound absorption or dampening material. What it is good at is adding mass to a panel to change the resonant frequency and cut back on panel noise (structure-borne.) To do this effectively, you only need to cover 25% of a panel. You don't need to cover the entire panel as that's a complete waste.

If you want to block sound, you need closed cell foam and mass loaded vinyl. You place a layer of CCF on top of the panel to act as a decoupler for the layer of MLV you add on top. THAT is what blocks sound effectively.

This is a great resource for effective and efficient sound deadening: Sound Deadener Showdown - Your Source for Sound Deadening Products and Information

Interesting read - so when I install my GTmat, I should only cover 1/4 of the trunk panel area?

m4a1mustang · 02-08-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

So if I just wanted to stop exhaust resonance from causing rattles inside the door/hatch/cabin, I should not do this you say??

The first step would be to cover 25% of the surface area of your interior panels with a dampening tile like Dynamat. That will reduce the interior panel resonance and be as effective as covering the entire interior in Dynamat.

If you want to block sound, then you need to use the CCF and MLV.

XwChriswX · 02-08-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The first step would be to cover 25% of the surface area of your interior panels with a dampening tile like Dynamat. That will reduce the interior panel resonance and be as effective as covering the entire interior in Dynamat.

If you want to block sound, then you need to use the CCF and MLV.

I'm not worried about sound as I like hearing my exhaust, I'm just tired of hearing rattles I can't figure out where/what they are to fix.

Makes it sound like somethings wrong to people who ride along.

m4a1mustang · 02-08-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson

Interesting read - so when I install my GTmat, I should only cover 1/4 of the trunk panel area?

Exactly.

My feeling is that you guys are going to end up wanting to actually BLOCK some sound, in which case you'll need the CCF/MLV elements. Unfortunately this adds weight, and for maximum effect you really need to do the floor, tunnel, rear wall, and hatch.

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eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,846 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	Brother, Im not sure if Im gonna be able to make it to Columbia tomorrow, dude the inside of my S2000 is completely gutted, Im dead serious. Before I put everything together, I'd like to insulate the inside with the crapload of GTmat I just bought. Masa likes this. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

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eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,846 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	Dude, the seats look amazing, I really thought it out before I installed the sensors, so I wouldnt have to go back and fix something, when Im done, its gonna look like a factory installed upgrade. XwChriswX likes this. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Dee and anyone else that is trying to use Dynamat/GTMat/Fatmat/etc... This stuff is designed to dampen panel resonance. It's NOT an effective non-structure-borne sound absorption or dampening material. What it is good at is adding mass to a panel to change the resonant frequency and cut back on panel noise (structure-borne.) To do this effectively, you only need to cover 25% of a panel. You don't need to cover the entire panel as that's a complete waste. If you want to block sound, you need closed cell foam and mass loaded vinyl. You place a layer of CCF on top of the panel to act as a decoupler for the layer of MLV you add on top. THAT is what blocks sound effectively. This is a great resource for effective and efficient sound deadening: http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi b1adesofcha0s likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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