NOVA/DC/MD - Z's & Coffee Saturday's at 10AM in Fairfax, VA & Columbia, MD

MightyBobo

You say it as if its the ONLY purpose. Finding the limit and passing it is a scary event - that means you're likely going on an off-track excursion, or in the least, overshooting a proper corner.

You're going to the track to learn a lot things, including:

Proper car control (hand placement, instinctual countersteering, anticipating weight shift under braking/acceleration, etc)
Brake/throttle modulation in concert with steering
Situational awareness (flag stands, cars around you, etc)
Beginner racecraft (apexing, entering/exiting a corners of different types, etc)

...and so on, so forth. Finding "the limit" is something that happens while doing any of the above. All of those take PATIENCE and practice. If you think you are the next Ayrton Senna and try to act like that, it WILL bite you. Ask my last instructor at Summit Point - the last (and only other) 370Z he was with at that track, was a NISMO. The guy totalled it his VERY FIRST SESSION.

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XwChriswX

You're trying to take too much from what I say. Would I go 101% my first event/lap out? No. I'm saying that in time, I'd like to be able to do so. First off I'd just sit there and let the instructors give me every bit of knowledge they have, and do several several several laps at moderate speeds making sure I'm doing what I'm supposed to correctly and consistently. I'm there to learn all of those things yes. But the ultimate goal is to be able to push myself and my car to that limit (safely) and have a blast doing it.

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MightyBobo

No, you are over-reading what I'M saying. You're acting as if you ABSOLUTELY have to be pushing the limit in order to have a good time and learn something. To which I say, no, you dont. Your brain will be freaking mush your first day, just trying to process everything you're trying to learn.

You're emphatically stating that the only point to go to the track is to push the limit, and thats the whole point. Thats incorrect.

You can do slow laps all you want, you will learn less than you think by doing that. You can still learn somethings, but its different things, than you think.

I guess what I'm getting at is you act like its all cut and dry. "I'll listen to everything my instuctor says and memorize it. Then I'll just drive slow for a little bit, then I'll go fast". No, you wont. EVERYTHING is easier said than done - this is no different.

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XwChriswX

I'm not trying to deny this. All I'm saying is I don't wanna do an event and learn those things and be happy being a more knowledgeable driver. I want to keep going. I just dunno how to explain it to you where you don't think I'm an idiot.

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4r3s

For me, I'm not tracking my car because its the only car I've got. Something happens to her on a track where my insurance will not cover the damages I'm screwed.

4r3s

By this time next year I should have a house and a dd that's not my Z. I'll sell you my base wheels then which I have basically new summer tires and fairly new winter tires still. oh and tpms

b1adesofcha0s

Actually I was just talking about not having any physical space to store them since I live in an apartment (and someone's bumper is taking up a lot of space in my room ). I would have the same issue with a spare set of wheels. I should also have a house by this time next year which would solve the problem.

No need to get a separate set of wheels if I don't need them. I can just keep one set of wheels and then swap tires as the seasons change. If I decide to get some new wheels, I will probably get something that can fit a wider tire on it.

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MightyBobo

I dont think you're an idiot in the first place lol.

What I do think is that you're crippling yourself with your own mods.

Intake and exhaust does NOT mean you need a tune, so that excuse is out the window. Fearing for the safety of your car since its your only one IS a valid concern before hitting the track. And that is why you don't drive "at the limit". Driving "close to the lmiit" is STILL an exciting experience, especially your first times out. And the best part? You still wont be near the limit likely because you'll be scared shitless lol.

But I think you're setting a bar WAY too high. You're basically saying, "I dont want to JUST be knowledgeable...I want to learn how to do everything, right off the bat". Yeah well no **** haha - everyone wants to get the most out of each event. But you must start at the basics, and that means going slow. And with what you have done to your car, you can go do that right now without fear of "losing" anything. Besides, you can either gain much by going out and doing it, or gain absolutely nothing at all by sitting here and saying you only want to go out and get all or nothing.

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XwChriswX

This is why I say you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying I want all or nothing. I'm saying that I don't wanna go do one event and be happy. Or a few events as me in my car. I'm saying I want to keep going. I want to compete. Eventually I'll have a 2nd car and that will be taken care of. Eventually I'll have everything done the way it should be done. But it's all in steps. I would like to go beyond me with in an instructor and get to the point to where the instructor feels comfortable with me alone in the car on the track, then get to the point to where its me with multiple cars At speed. Then Racing. And keep going. I'm not saying all or nothing, I'm saying if I go once, then I have to do it again, and better the next time. And so on lol

Again I can't explain it in words to where those more knowledgeable on the mechanics and physics and experience on a track will understand, so I'll just say that you're right, you know the track and you're my go to guy when I have a moment.

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MightyBobo

Do you have any idea how much practice it takes to get into wheel to wheel racing? Because you'd better start now. This isnt Gran Turismo - do a couple "license tests" and bam, we'll throw you on the track. We're talking YEARS of HPDE's to get really good. Thousands of dollars just in HPDE's to hone skills.

And the worst part? Some people just can't do it. They weren't born to be the next Senna and no matter what, they simply cant do it. I'm not saying this is you, I'm just giving fair warning.

Your car wont be any more ready, save for track-prep mods. You wont be any more ready until you convince yourself mentally that you can do it. Until that happens, it simply wont happen.

Also, you wont drive alone your first weekend out. If you desire to, you're a fool. If your instructor lets you, he is a fool.

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