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italy3541

well then i will correct myself.. you said they are vastly better.. which based on all the charts i have seen they are not.. they are a better tire(for now), but not vastly, only marginly...

m4a1mustang

Drive them and you'll see that it's a vast difference. Like Red__Zed mentioned the breakaway characteristics at the limit are FAR better on the PSS than they are with the PZero. PZero might run a quick lap but it's not going to compete with PSS over multiple.

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italy3541

well im not saying you are wrong.. but i do find it hard to believe that there is a vast difference.. when professional drivers tested the tires the comparison is close.. not that everyone doesnt value the opnions of all others on this site.. but if the pros say they are close then im gonna have to go with what they say...

again didnt say pirelli is better. i just offered what i like as a option.. but lesson learned i will just keep my opnions to myself....

Red__Zed

not to mention the way the breakaway characteristics dramatically change the way you would drive (on the street).

Say, for instance, someone was cruising along hot. If they had Pzeros on, they might not know they needed to slow down, as the tires wouldn't give much feedback. The PSS on the other hand, gives plenty of feedback. There's fair warning before they let go...so, if you were...say...hauling *** along the edge of a cliff, a wise driver would SLOW DOWN RATHER THAN TRYING TO KILL US ALL TO DEMONSTRATE THAT PSS' GRIP WELL ON GRASS TOO

m4a1mustang

F1 tire suppliers is all about who pays the most to be the official supplier. Not about performance.

Pirelli replaced Bridgestone at the start of the 2011 season.

Previously, Bridgestone was the exclusive supplier since 2007.

From 2001-2006 Michelin and Bridgestone were both competing suppliers. Ultimately Michelin pulled out (i.e. F1 decided 1 supplier was better and Bridgestone bid higher).

Bridgestone entered F1 in 1997 and was the exclusive supplier from 98-00.

The last time Pirelli was on a F1 car was 1991.

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italy3541

here is the chart of all the tires used in f1.. for a while they used different brands then switched to just 1.

Formula One tyres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

m4a1mustang

Yup.

The trouble with multiple tire suppliers is managing competition and safety.

All race series want to have good racing. Tire compound is a big factor in how competitively cars will race. When everyone is on the same compound (or at least has the same compound options) it keeps competition closer.

Also, tire wars can get out of hand. It happened in NASCAR when Hoosier and Goodyear were both suppliers. They battled to make the grippiest, fastest tire possible... it turned out to be terribly unsafe. The Hoosier tires were blowing out often resulting in massive crashes. At the peak of the tire war a decision was made to go back to one supplier for the sake of safety and competition.

When you've got just one supplier they can work on balancing speed and safety, instead of just focusing on speed.

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No need to get all butt hurt everyone.

We all know its TOYO Proxes all day.

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m4a1mustang

Don't keep your opinions to yourself. It would be boring if we agreed on everything.

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Steef go answer my tires size question on FB

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b1adesofcha0s

I think what he means is that for the pros it's not very different, but for us non-pros it is different.

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Red__Zed

and even more so, street driving vs not.

I would never drive the pzeros near the limit on the street. breakaway is far too unpredictable, relative to something like the PSS that has even terrible drivers like steve taking to the limit of their on-grass adhesion

aniceh

I think you all need to adopt the spelling "tyres." Makes it more fun.