Full metal wide body bagged 370z

VincentLe · 05-08-2014, 09:40 AM

i dont get when people point out how much stretch it is when it's obviously a show car build.. stretch tires are so he can get his fitment on point, as close to the fender as he can. Im pretty sure he knows it's not the safest thing.

JARblue · 05-08-2014, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VincentLe

i dont get when people point out how much stretch it is when it's obviously a show car build

If the car is a true show car and not driven on the street, sure...

But how do you know they aren't also running them on the street? Plenty of his photos show him on what appear to be public roads. I see plenty of stretched tires on public roads. Unless it is documented that he's using a trailer to get his car to the shows, then I don't have any problem pointing it out. It's unsafe, it doesn't look good, and it damages wheel edges.

Chuck33079 · 05-08-2014, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

But how do you know they aren't also running them on the street? Plenty of his photos show him on what appear to be public roads. I see plenty of stretched tires on public roads. Unless it is documented that he's using a trailer to get his car to the shows, then I don't have any problem pointing it out. It's unsafe, it doesn't look good, and it damages wheel edges.

Stretched tires are bad. Not from an aesthetics standpoint, from a function and safety standpoint. The purpose of the tire is compromised by stretching it. At best, the car will handle worse. Worst case scenario, you'll hit a bump and that stretched tire will de-bead. At freeway speeds that could very easily cause fatalities. Want to make your car handle worse? Ok, it's not my car. Want to make the vehicle unsafe and potentially cause an accident? That's where the line is drawn. At least other rice fads like LED washer nozzles and undercar neon don't make the car unsafe.

VincentLe · 05-08-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Stretched tires are bad. Not from an aesthetics standpoint, from a function and safety standpoint. The purpose of the tire is compromised by stretching it. At best, the car will handle worse. Worst case scenario, you'll hit a bump and that stretched tire will de-bead. At freeway speeds that could very easily cause fatalities. Want to make your car handle worse? Ok, it's not my car. Want to make the vehicle unsafe and potentially cause an accident? That's where the line is drawn. At least other rice fads like LED washer nozzles and undercar neon don't make the car unsafe.

i understand your point of view, and hopefully that never happens. Best of luck to OP, cant wait to see the build finished. (there's agruments to both sides and not trying to start form vs function or something like that by any means)

Sh0velMan · 05-08-2014, 10:16 AM

I've decided to make my Z like this one. Gonna go get some 215 section tires for my fronts, maybe some 225's for the rear, then spend a couple grand getting some custom bodywork to be sure that even with the aggressive stretch, the tires still don't fit under the fenders.

Who needs the car to be safe and drivable anyway?

Now taking suggestions for some dope wide lipped wheels. The more "pieces" they are and the more shiny, the better.

Oh, but be sure they're as heavy as possible and are a huge negative offset so that I'm forced to use a 30mm+ spacer.

Thanks in advance!

jcosta79 · 05-08-2014, 10:19 AM

So let me get this straight... The OP is widening his car so that he can fit much narrower tires on it than it came with stock?

Huh?

sixpax · 05-08-2014, 10:26 AM

rough crowd ...

Chuck33079 · 05-08-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

I've decided to make my Z like this one. Gonna go get some 215 section tires for my fronts, maybe some 225's for the rear, then spend a couple grand getting some custom bodywork to be sure that even with the aggressive stretch, the tires still don't fit under the fenders.

Who needs the car to be safe and drivable anyway?

Now taking suggestions for some dope wide lipped wheels. The more "pieces" they are and the more shiny, the better.

Oh, but be sure they're as heavy as possible and are a huge negative offset so that I'm forced to use a 30mm+ spacer.

Thanks in advance!

Don't forget to lower it to the point where you high-center the car on a speed hump and knock control arm shaped dents in your fenders. In his defense, at least the OP can raise the car up to be driveable. It's far worse without airbags. And that is a sentence I never thought I'd type.

jcosta79 · 05-08-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sixpax

rough crowd ...

But why would you make a wide body to put skinny tires on? Why not just put wider tires on it? The rims look plenty wide and it would look better that way, not to mention handle better. And take out all that negative camber, because the car is riding on like an inch of tread per tire which must be horrible for overall grip. Not even F1 cars have that much negative camber.

The car has the potential to look really good and handle really well but it needs wider tires and less negative camber. Not trying to hate, just giving suggestions to make it look better and handle better.

Chuck33079 · 05-08-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

But why would you make a wide body to put skinny tires on? Why not just put wider tires on it? The rims look plenty wide and it would look better that way, not to mention handle better. And take out all that negative camber, because the car is riding on like an inch of tread per tire which must be horrible for overall grip. Not even F1 cars have that much negative camber.

The car has the potential to look really good and handle really well but it needs wider tires and less negative camber. Not trying to hate, just giving suggestions to make it look better and handle better.

Widebody with meaty tires that put the power to the ground better

Widebody with stretched tires

sixpax · 05-08-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79

But why would you make a wide body to put skinny tires on? Why not just put wider tires on it? The rims look plenty wide and it would look better that way, not to mention handle better. And take out all that negative camber, because the car is riding on like an inch of tread per tire which must be horrible for overall grip. Not even F1 cars have that much negative camber.

The car has the potential to look really good and handle really well but it needs wider tires and less negative camber. Not trying to hate, just giving suggestions to make it look better and handle better.

I agree 110% ... just stated it was a rough crowd in here ... that's all

SouthArk370Z · 05-08-2014, 10:52 AM

I'd never stretch tires or mess with the alignment that much. I think it looks "interesting" on a show car or cruising the boulevard but, as Chuck said above, it's not safe at normal speeds.

But I can remember raising the rear of cars and sticking way-too-big-for-the-rest-of-the-drivetrain tires in there, back in The Good Old Days. Not as unsafe as stretching, but it still had a negative effect on handling. Glass packs were pretty popular, too.

I'm still impressed with the work OP has done. Looks like he's doing it right (other than the tire/alignment thing) even if it isn't easy on my eyes.

FPenvy · 05-08-2014, 10:57 AM

not gonna lie the more i look and think about the point of this build and the stanced out bit of it.....i kinda wanna kill it with fire.

just saying.

Chuck33079 · 05-08-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

not gonna lie the more i look and think about the point of this build and the stanced out bit of it.....i kinda wanna kill it with fire.

just saying.

I'm kinda on the opposite side of it. The widebody conversion looks very well done. Ditch the airbags for a suspension appropriate for a sports car, raise it to an appropriate ride height, get tires and wheels that fit, run as much rubber as humanly possible and get a good alignment. Now you've got a fast car.

ka24king · 05-08-2014, 11:02 AM

Sick work amazing build just sucks that you started this project twards the death or "end" of the whole "hella low frush" whatever fad that's been going hard for about 5-6 years now. But on the other hand you have a nice showcar

05-08-2014, 10:16 AM	#50 (permalink)
Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 20	I've decided to make my Z like this one. Gonna go get some 215 section tires for my fronts, maybe some 225's for the rear, then spend a couple grand getting some custom bodywork to be sure that even with the aggressive stretch, the tires still don't fit under the fenders. Who needs the car to be safe and drivable anyway? Now taking suggestions for some dope wide lipped wheels. The more "pieces" they are and the more shiny, the better. Oh, but be sure they're as heavy as possible and are a huge negative offset so that I'm forced to use a 30mm+ spacer. Thanks in advance! FPenvy, DEpointfive0 and Solomatrix like this. __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

05-08-2014, 10:19 AM	#51 (permalink)
jcosta79 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: N/A Posts: 1,430 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 14	So let me get this straight... The OP is widening his car so that he can fit much narrower tires on it than it came with stock? Huh? FPenvy likes this. __________________ 2012 PW NISMO #0559 - GT Spec Brace Kit - Swift Springs - ARK TP & Invidia CBE K&N Intake - UpRev Tune - 15mm Z1 Spacers & Studs - StopTech Slotted Rotors & SS Lines - ZSpeed CMAK with Stage 2 Clutch and Lightweight Flywheel

05-08-2014, 10:52 AM	#57 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324197	I'd never stretch tires or mess with the alignment that much. I think it looks "interesting" on a show car or cruising the boulevard but, as Chuck said above, it's not safe at normal speeds. But I can remember raising the rear of cars and sticking way-too-big-for-the-rest-of-the-drivetrain tires in there, back in The Good Old Days. Not as unsafe as stretching, but it still had a negative effect on handling. Glass packs were pretty popular, too. I'm still impressed with the work OP has done. Looks like he's doing it right (other than the tire/alignment thing) even if it isn't easy on my eyes. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

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05-08-2014, 09:40 AM	#46 (permalink)
VincentLe Base Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Garland Posts: 128 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Red Rep Power: 11	i dont get when people point out how much stretch it is when it's obviously a show car build.. stretch tires are so he can get his fitment on point, as close to the fender as he can. Im pretty sure he knows it's not the safest thing.

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ka24king Track Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: texas Posts: 582 Drives: '10 370z 40th annv. Rep Power: 13	Sick work amazing build just sucks that you started this project twards the death or "end" of the whole "hella low frush" whatever fad that's been going hard for about 5-6 years now. But on the other hand you have a nice showcar