TravisJB Journal

Mike · 01-23-2013, 12:11 PM

I use 15s in the rear, I think. Might be 20s

travisjb · 01-23-2013, 06:22 PM

Mike is right on the offset, and I've been using +10 if i recall but could easily go with 15/20 and not exceed fender by much if at all... you should be able to use that to calculate what spacer to use with 34 offset and 9" wheel using one of the online offset calculators or by talking it through with your wheel mfgr

wstar · 01-23-2013, 11:41 PM

Ok, so 18x10 +34 all around (can move them at will), and you're putting +10/15-ish spacers on the back just to get closer to the fender? Just making sure I got this straight before I go digging around to see who has Forgestar F14's in stock in that size

Mike · 01-24-2013, 07:57 AM

that is correct. they fit in the rear without spacers, but are very tucked.

MightyBobo · 01-24-2013, 05:35 PM

Which brand/kind of spacers are you two rocking?

Mike · 01-24-2013, 08:27 PM

H&R for my rears. When I use my other wheels that are 9.5 +46 with the 295 hoosiers, I run a 5mm Z1 spacer up front to clear the control arm. Silly that I use the wider tires on the more narrow rims, but thats just how it worked out.

ChipsWithDips · 02-17-2013, 06:52 PM

Hi Travis

I'm still curious about the laminova setup. You said in one post that you have the E54 version. Which length though? Is it the single or dual core version?
Can you post a pic of it installed?

From what I read it sounds like it cooled the oil well, but ended up overloading your radiator ending in blown headgasket last time out?

Are you going to try to continue running the laminova?

travisjb · 02-17-2013, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips

Hi Travis

I'm still curious about the laminova setup. You said in one post that you have the E54 version. Which length though? Is it the single or dual core version?
Can you post a pic of it installed?

From what I read it sounds like it cooled the oil well, but ended up overloading your radiator ending in blown headgasket last time out?

Are you going to try to continue running the laminova?

I used the larger of the dual core designes, believe it is ~15"
Http://208.109.215.220/files/laminova.pdf
Part number: edc54-329

You are correct about the radiator being overloaded...

CIN Motorsports put a full shroud around the radiator replaced the stock fans and it's working great now... haven't had the opp'n to test in high heat yet though

The laminova setup seems like the most robust option we have but is a little pricey... I may have even gone one size too large... suggest you talk to the distributor to figure out the size you need

Pics later sorry

ChipsWithDips · 02-17-2013, 10:56 PM

Was the shroud a custom deal or does someone sell something for that?

ChipsWithDips · 02-18-2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips

Was the shroud a custom deal or does someone sell something for that?

Quoting myself, but just to clarify I'm wondering what you mean by shrouding, do you just mean a fan shroud on the rear of the radiator?
I saw that GTM makes a upgraded dual 14" fan kit for stock radiator.
GTM Motorsports*::*COOLING SYSTEM*::*GTM H.O. 14" Dual Fan Kit For Z34/V36 For Stock Radiator

Or did you also make some kind of shrouding in front block air from going around the sides,top,bottom, and force it through the core?

Shamu · 02-18-2013, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travisjb

I used the larger of the dual core designes, believe it is ~15"
Http://208.109.215.220/files/laminova.pdf
Part number: edc54-329

You are correct about the radiator being overloaded...

CIN Motorsports put a full shroud around the radiator replaced the stock fans and it's working great now... haven't had the opp'n to test in high heat yet though

The laminova setup seems like the most robust option we have but is a little pricey... I may have even gone one size too large... suggest you talk to the distributor to figure out the size you need

Pics later sorry

Pics of radiator setup? In just looking at stock fan setup it looks like typical setup to keep car cool in traffic but hamper higher speed cooling. Boxsters have same issue.

ChipsWithDips · 02-19-2013, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travisjb

I used the larger of the dual core designes, believe it is ~15"
Http://208.109.215.220/files/laminova.pdf
Part number: edc54-329

You are correct about the radiator being overloaded...

CIN Motorsports put a full shroud around the radiator replaced the stock fans and it's working great now... haven't had the opp'n to test in high heat yet though

The laminova setup seems like the most robust option we have but is a little pricey... I may have even gone one size too large... suggest you talk to the distributor to figure out the size you need

Pics later sorry

I called BAT inc yesterday and spoke to one of the guys who seems to think a 43x330mm core would suffice, at least for my application (naturally aspirated). He actually originally recommended the 180mm length one, which he says would be similar to a 19row cooler. But I told him a lot of people are running 25 or 34 rows, so I will probably get 330mm for piece of mind. Still really expensive for even these smaller cores. I think the price went up about $100 since when I first looked at these over a year ago.

travisjb · 02-19-2013, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips

I called BAT inc yesterday and spoke to one of the guys who seems to think a 43x330mm core would suffice, at least for my application (naturally aspirated). He actually originally recommended the 180mm length one, which he says would be similar to a 19row cooler. But I told him a lot of people are running 25 or 34 rows, so I will probably get 330mm for piece of mind. Still really expensive for even these smaller cores. I think the price went up about $100 since when I first looked at these over a year ago.

43x330 should be plenty! look forward to hearing about your progress/testing

must nice to be an exclusive distributor, huh? lol

wstar · 02-18-2013, 09:03 AM

Well CSF's radiators are commonly available as upgrades. There was also this on the boards, some guy modding the stock core support to put in a super-thick racing radiator from GTM, and re-using the stock fans with a slimmer metal shroud that might work better:

Installing the largest possible radiator for your 370Z - Part 1
Installing the largest possible street racing radiator for your 370Z - part 2 FINAL

In 2-3 months I'm planning to go after this area of the car as one long project. Remove my stock radiator, delete the AC/heat stuff, maybe upgrade motor mounts and check up on my header bolts while it's all easy-access. Then put back in at least a bigger radiator, but possibly w/ a Laminova unit replacing my separate air coolers as well. I just wish I had a firm grasp on how much radiator + Laminova I need.

I'm planning to use it to cool tranny fluid from the 7AT as well using one of their dual-core models with separate inputs.

travisjb · 02-18-2013, 09:17 PM

Here's a video... if you check this tonight, prob need to wait until it finishes processing on youtube's servers...

Should give you a better idea of what a fully enclosed radiator/IC looks like. Full shrouding in front and back of those units. The laminova unit, you can see it behind the radiator sitting atop of my splitter... the laminova unit is mounted along a large aluminum piece which itself acts as an additional heat sink / dissapation point, which was a pretty trick move by the guys at CIN motorsports in Charlotte... they put a lot of time into this shroud and setup and gave me a great deal!

I didn't research the GTM kit, but I'm guessing the package they have will ultimately cost you less if you DIY the install vs going full custom like I did

Not enough data to report on what size laminova unit at this point, I went big / dual core... I do recommend stuffing in a thick radiator replacement if you're going to delete a/c and redo the cooling and the shrouding is a BIG DEAL... also there's a setting in the nissan computer for when the fan's kick in... have your tuner play with that so both kick in at 190-200... if you get energy efficient fans, should be able to run stock harness no problem

01-23-2013, 12:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	I use 15s in the rear, I think. Might be 20s __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

01-23-2013, 06:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	Mike is right on the offset, and I've been using +10 if i recall but could easily go with 15/20 and not exceed fender by much if at all... you should be able to use that to calculate what spacer to use with 34 offset and 9" wheel using one of the online offset calculators or by talking it through with your wheel mfgr __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

01-23-2013, 11:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Ok, so 18x10 +34 all around (can move them at will), and you're putting +10/15-ish spacers on the back just to get closer to the fender? Just making sure I got this straight before I go digging around to see who has Forgestar F14's in stock in that size __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

01-24-2013, 07:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	that is correct. they fit in the rear without spacers, but are very tucked. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

01-24-2013, 05:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
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01-24-2013, 08:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	H&R for my rears. When I use my other wheels that are 9.5 +46 with the 295 hoosiers, I run a 5mm Z1 spacer up front to clear the control arm. Silly that I use the wider tires on the more narrow rims, but thats just how it worked out. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

02-17-2013, 06:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 15	Hi Travis I'm still curious about the laminova setup. You said in one post that you have the E54 version. Which length though? Is it the single or dual core version? Can you post a pic of it installed? From what I read it sounds like it cooled the oil well, but ended up overloading your radiator ending in blown headgasket last time out? Are you going to try to continue running the laminova? __________________ PPE Headers SS/Coated/Wrapped \| Ebay y-pipe \| Custom 3" single exhaust w/ Magnaflows \| UpRev \| Racingbrake 2pc Rotors \| 40th calipers \| Eibach sways \| SPL endlinks, diff mounts \| RJM pedal \| Stillen Intakes, UDP, Flywheel \| M370 Manifold \| Z1 engine mounts, CSC-EK, Clutch \| Forgestar F14 18x10 \| Conti DWs \| Quaife diff/4.08 gears \| Nismo diff cover

02-17-2013, 10:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 15	Was the shroud a custom deal or does someone sell something for that? __________________ PPE Headers SS/Coated/Wrapped \| Ebay y-pipe \| Custom 3" single exhaust w/ Magnaflows \| UpRev \| Racingbrake 2pc Rotors \| 40th calipers \| Eibach sways \| SPL endlinks, diff mounts \| RJM pedal \| Stillen Intakes, UDP, Flywheel \| M370 Manifold \| Z1 engine mounts, CSC-EK, Clutch \| Forgestar F14 18x10 \| Conti DWs \| Quaife diff/4.08 gears \| Nismo diff cover

02-18-2013, 09:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Well CSF's radiators are commonly available as upgrades. There was also this on the boards, some guy modding the stock core support to put in a super-thick racing radiator from GTM, and re-using the stock fans with a slimmer metal shroud that might work better: Installing the largest possible radiator for your 370Z - Part 1 Installing the largest possible street racing radiator for your 370Z - part 2 FINAL In 2-3 months I'm planning to go after this area of the car as one long project. Remove my stock radiator, delete the AC/heat stuff, maybe upgrade motor mounts and check up on my header bolts while it's all easy-access. Then put back in at least a bigger radiator, but possibly w/ a Laminova unit replacing my separate air coolers as well. I just wish I had a firm grasp on how much radiator + Laminova I need. I'm planning to use it to cool tranny fluid from the 7AT as well using one of their dual-core models with separate inputs. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details Last edited by wstar; 02-18-2013 at 09:10 AM.

02-18-2013, 09:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 189	Here's a video... if you check this tonight, prob need to wait until it finishes processing on youtube's servers... Should give you a better idea of what a fully enclosed radiator/IC looks like. Full shrouding in front and back of those units. The laminova unit, you can see it behind the radiator sitting atop of my splitter... the laminova unit is mounted along a large aluminum piece which itself acts as an additional heat sink / dissapation point, which was a pretty trick move by the guys at CIN motorsports in Charlotte... they put a lot of time into this shroud and setup and gave me a great deal! I didn't research the GTM kit, but I'm guessing the package they have will ultimately cost you less if you DIY the install vs going full custom like I did Not enough data to report on what size laminova unit at this point, I went big / dual core... I do recommend stuffing in a thick radiator replacement if you're going to delete a/c and redo the cooling and the shrouding is a BIG DEAL... also there's a setting in the nissan computer for when the fan's kick in... have your tuner play with that so both kick in at 190-200... if you get energy efficient fans, should be able to run stock harness no problem Reaper42 likes this. __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

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