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ZCarMan 04-30-2013 12:08 PM
If anyone feels compelled to offer constructive criticism then feel free to contact Jens Scott directly at: (540) 878-7196

m4a1mustang 04-30-2013 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 2293262)
If anyone feels compelled to offer constructive criticism then feel free to contact Jens Scott directly at: (540) 878-7196
It's cool. We know how it all operates now so we know what we can and can't do.

Z Stig 04-30-2013 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GM_Traitor3.5 (Post 2293245)
I completely understand the safety aspect of it and wanting to keep the hooliganism to a minimum to prevent injuries. I didn't really have any complaints at all, I had a blast.
I agree with the safety aspects! It would have been a real bad situation had somebody gotten hurt.
But in Dana's situation, it seemed like he overreacted a little bit. She was not being aggressive and bumping people, she was just driving in the warm up laps getting used to the kart, and when you have folks learning in that environment, it is easy to miss a braking point, or discovering that a little pressure on the brakes can lock the back tires and around you go! Personally, I think the video could have been more involved in the "unique" handling capabilities of the typical kart.

Jon, as far as you not setting up this next time... If I gave you the impression that I was not grateful for you setting this up, or for the coordination you worked, that was not my intent.

I think I can speak for all, even those that had issues, the overall event was great and a fun experience that most of us want to do again! I was trolling with the hybrid comment, as I respect that some people like those cars, they are just not my thing. And if you give us a hard time... I may troll a bit. His direct quote was "I guess driving those Nissans don't instill good driving skills?". That was after the first warm up laps for Group A and B, but before any of the races. Later in the day, he seemed like a good guy, but my comments were based on Dana's experience and his statement to me.

m4a1mustang 04-30-2013 12:25 PM
:iagree:

I know I speak for everyone else when I say I had a great time and am highly appreciative of Jon for putting everything together for us.

ZCarMan 04-30-2013 12:33 PM
I'm glad that everyone enjoyed themselves.

eastwest2300 04-30-2013 12:43 PM
Jon, you are the man, duude!

RandyD 04-30-2013 12:53 PM
and Kudo's to Pat for hanging out all day with no Kohl's to go into...

StangerGT 04-30-2013 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292345)
Precisely. And you met and exceeded the limits of the kart, so this really is the same as an off-track excursion doing the real deal. In that situation, you'd be made to come back in to the pits, too. So I feel the black flag in this situation is appropriate.

Now, I don't know what others were getting flagged for - I'd love to see footage from someone who DID get flagged, like Josh, but he had no camera. I CAN tell you, however, that I was driving quite aggressively in my traffic management, and I never even got a hint of a black flag, so aggressive driving wasn't it. I never once bumped another car, nor did I ever lose control of my car.
The flags for people spinning... mostly all around me... :rofl2:

I just so happened to be in the cluster of people so they kept pointing me in.

StangerGT 04-30-2013 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292466)
I would like to AutoX, for the thrill of it, but I'm useless without the set lines of a track. The cones thing just doesn't work for me and I'd miss a ton of them.
When I went out to fed ex field in the SCCA... we only had one guy really eff up the course... mostly, the track is well marked, i think i missed one cone the entire event.

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2292470)
You never know until you try it. I had an instructor sitting with me and he'd point out the correct way around the cones if I started to do it wrong.
In AutoX... i didnt have an instructor =/

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292483)
No, really - when SCCA runs competition AutoX, the modifications you have would put you in a class SO DIFFICULT, you'd get absolutely wrecked by Miata's running 305's up front and back hahaha.
heh, even my mods (at the time) put me into a class with a highly modified Lambo/Ferrari/Viper/Vettes...

I just ran against myself... really I was no where near the level to compete with even the "ok" guys in crappy 80s civics lolz

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2292493)
Oh no, I completely get that bit. Which is why I wouldn't run in that class.


So basically it's setup to the fact that you can't mod first, and grow into them?

I understand why YOU do what you do, and it makes complete sense... But there is another thought pattern here. Guess thats another reason why AutoX isn't for me.
What does it matter what group you are placed in? just take your track times, and if you want, compare it to friends, but really just race against yourself... the only way the "class" matters is if you want to compete for a trophy or something... and even with your karting experiance, you wont be even close to that.

I have a friend that refuses to go to HDPE because he feels its a waste of money to go racing, with someone in the car telling him what to do... he feels as though he should be able to spend the money to... RACE... which kills me. I told him he will just end up killing someone. He doesnt understand the learning part.

AutoX isnt about racing anyone... just race your own time or have a nice competition between friends... who cares about the mods/skill/other people. They sure as hell wont care about ur car... no matter what the mods done.

If you plan on staying in AutoX and running in their series, then yeah I get the car issue, but if all you plan on doing is using it as a step up into HDPE for the experiance... then go ballz out with your modded car and beat the bajesus out of it.

XwChriswX 04-30-2013 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by StangerGT (Post 2293543)
When I went out to fed ex field in the SCCA... we only had one guy really eff up the course... mostly, the track is well marked, i think i missed one cone the entire event.



In AutoX... i didnt have an instructor =/



heh, even my mods (at the time) put me into a class with a highly modified Lambo/Ferrari/Viper/Vettes...

I just ran against myself... really I was no where near the level to compete with even the "ok" guys in crappy 80s civics lolz



What does it matter what group you are placed in? just take your track times, and if you want, compare it to friends, but really just race against yourself... the only way the "class" matters is if you want to compete for a trophy or something... and even with your karting experiance, you wont be even close to that.

I have a friend that refuses to go to HDPE because he feels its a waste of money to go racing, with someone in the car telling him what to do... he feels as though he should be able to spend the money to... RACE... which kills me. I told him he will just end up killing someone. He doesnt understand the learning part.

AutoX isnt about racing anyone... just race your own time or have a nice competition between friends... who cares about the mods/skill/other people. They sure as hell wont care about ur car... no matter what the mods done.

If you plan on staying in AutoX and running in their series, then yeah I get the car issue, but if all you plan on doing is using it as a step up into HDPE for the experiance... then go ballz out with your modded car and beat the bajesus out of it.
I'm just a competitive person. :icon17: I love racing. My problem with AutoX is more my inability to learn the course than anything. :facepalm: I know you walk it, and see 20 other cars do it, but for me, not having the solid lines and barriers to mark turns makes it difficult @ speed. That's why I like track runs. I would be up to do an AutoX event if we could get one for all of us?

I just want to learn, and wherever the knowledge comes from I'm thankful.

m4a1mustang 04-30-2013 02:18 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets confused by cones.

RandyD 04-30-2013 02:23 PM
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StangerGT 04-30-2013 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2293556)
I'm just a competitive person. :icon17: I love racing. My problem with AutoX is more my inability to learn the course than anything. :facepalm: I know you walk it, and see 20 other cars do it, but for me, not having the solid lines and barriers to mark turns makes it difficult @ speed. That's why I like track runs. I would be up to do an AutoX event if we could get one for all of us?

I just want to learn, and wherever the knowledge comes from I'm thankful.
You are thinking to much into it tho... the speed is low. You really dont go that fast. they put out plenty of cones, and after one or two runs you basically know what to do.

And if you want to be competitive, keep in mind that outside of your local group here, you will probubly be demolished by the people who normally go to these things (we all would).

And worst case... you take out a cone... oh well...

b1adesofcha0s 04-30-2013 03:10 PM
Cones weren't as bad as I was expecting. Like Josh said, it's relatively low speed so you have time to think before making your move.

m4a1mustang 04-30-2013 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2293655)
Cones weren't as bad as I was expecting. Like Josh said, it's relatively low speed so you have time to think before making your move.
You don't have time to think out there... if you think... you're dead.


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MightyBobo 04-30-2013 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ZCarMan (Post 2293233)
Just so folks know. The SPK guy with the hat was Jens Scott. He runs the SPK kart track. I've been coordinating with him every since we started to plan for this event. He contacted me the day after the event to ask if we had a good time, etc. He truly wanted to get feedback on how we felt about our karting event. I told him to come to the board and just read the comments and find out for himself. Okay, not really.

I told him that we all had a great time and that many want to come back again. He said that if we wanted to do an evening karting session to just let him know when and he would work with us to make it happen. I'll leave the coordination for the next event up to someone else though.

He probably referred to us as Nissan Enthusiasts because that is what I told him we were.
Jon, why not see if he could let us have some time to show people "the line" and work on basics? Instead of just throwing people out onto the track.

Sent from my Galaxy S3

shadoquad 04-30-2013 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2293783)
Jon, why not see if he could let us have some time to show people "the line" and work on basics? Instead of just throwing people out onto the track.

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Is everyone there to post competitive times, or is anyone just going for fun?

Z Stig 04-30-2013 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2293952)
Is everyone there to post competitive times, or is anyone just going for fun?
A little of both for me. :icon17:

chieuxuan 04-30-2013 06:17 PM
I was just having fun and two times champion of the black flag :shakes head:

Masa 04-30-2013 06:18 PM
2nd place is the first loser :|

shadoquad 04-30-2013 06:22 PM
Fair enough. Glad I didn't go.

Masa 04-30-2013 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2293986)
Fair enough. Glad I didn't go.
I was kidding. :icon17:

m4a1mustang 04-30-2013 06:29 PM
Yeah it was all about fun first and actually finishing position second.

MightyBobo 04-30-2013 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2294011)
Yeah it was all about fun first and actually finishing position second.
This. However, is a tremendous learning opportunity, too.

Sent from my Galaxy S3

aniceh 04-30-2013 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2292385)
NO NO NO! Do NOT learn your limits on cruises! Trust me. Save that for HPDE and AutoX!!
So, for my own benefit and so I may best learn from and enjoy my driving experiences, what is your recommended progression? Shouldn't I have a base level of comfort with my own vehicle before signing up for HPDE or AutoX? When is it enough?

StangerGT 04-30-2013 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by aniceh (Post 2294127)
So, for my own benefit and so I may best learn from and enjoy my driving experiences, what is your recommended progression? Shouldn't I have a base level of comfort with my own vehicle before signing up for HPDE or AutoX? When is it enough?
Really... either one would work. Ultimately, at either event you go at your own pace. You may have an instructor giving you tips, or trying to give you confidence... but no one is holding a gun to your head to go faster.

Overall I personally like HPDE better. But AutoX would be a good start to, its probably a bit safer, and its cheaper. More room for mistake.

If you go the HPDE route, you could jump in with the group that normally goes. I am guessing Rob will be going later this year... sadly I will only be able to do one =/


EDIT: you could always come to the May HPDE event (or any other) if you are not doing ZDayZ... and get an incentive ride from someone. Thats what I did my first time. Got me hooked instantly. You just walk down to the pits and ask for a ride when the more advanced groups go out.

b1adesofcha0s 04-30-2013 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Masa (Post 2293981)
2nd place is the first loser :|
If you ain't first, you're last!

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Originally Posted by aniceh (Post 2294127)
So, for my own benefit and so I may best learn from and enjoy my driving experiences, what is your recommended progression? Shouldn't I have a base level of comfort with my own vehicle before signing up for HPDE or AutoX? When is it enough?
Nah it's better and safer to get comfortable in a closed environment like HPDE or AutoX. If you screw something up, it won't be as bad as doing so on the street. If you've done a cruise then you should be able to handle either.

The important thing to know about AutoX/HPDE is that you go at whatever pace you feel comfortable and can handle. You don't have to have a certain skill level to be able to do them. If you want to go really slow, you can do so. Just signal for anyone stuck behind you to pass and you can continue at your own pace. The idea is to start from wherever you are and slowly build speed as you get better and better.

aniceh 04-30-2013 08:25 PM
Thanks, guys. I'd love to talk with you about your experiences at the next meet.

b1adesofcha0s 04-30-2013 08:26 PM
Are you going to the AAM meet this Saturday? I will be there.

aniceh 04-30-2013 08:27 PM
Barring unforseen circumstances, I'll be at the AAM event this Saturday. Should be fun and informative! I've never seen their facility before.

StangerGT 04-30-2013 08:32 PM
i think one of my calipers is seizing... but aside from that (or if i dont get the parts in time) i may go.

b1adesofcha0s 04-30-2013 08:32 PM
It's really nice and a lot of nice cars as well.

MightyBobo 04-30-2013 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aniceh (Post 2294174)
Thanks, guys. I'd love to talk with you about your experiences at the next meet.
Driving a car fast is an extremely unforgiving art. Professionals make it look so easy, but the level they are performing at is the equivalent of a jogger versus an Olympic runner. The absolute worst place to find the limit is on the street - you're thinking a bit backwards as far as being "comfortable" in your car. It's the opposite: you go out with a professional to learn your own car, and then on the STREET you will be more comfortable.

So, my recommendation? Try a little AutoX or two. Then move up to HPDE.

m4a1mustang 04-30-2013 08:44 PM
Or just learn on the street like the pros did. :)

MightyBobo 04-30-2013 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2294217)
Or just learn on the street like the pros did. :)
Gahd dahmnit, Steef.

aniceh 04-30-2013 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2294212)
Driving a car fast is an extremely unforgiving art. Professionals make it look so easy, but the level they are performing at is the equivalent of a jogger versus an Olympic runner. The absolute worst place to find the limit is on the street - you're thinking a bit backwards as far as being "comfortable" in your car. It's the opposite: you go out with a professional to learn your own car, and then on the STREET you will be more comfortable.

So, my recommendation? Try a little AutoX or two. Then move up to HPDE.
Trust me, I know it's a technical skill that takes practice to master. I make no such mistake of thinking that it's as easy as the pros can make it look. The main problem that I've run into is that there are differing schools of thought on how best to approach the learning process, and everyone is completely in the tank for their own. I have no preconceived notions, or extreme loyalties, I just want to be smart.

shadoquad 04-30-2013 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by aniceh (Post 2294226)
Trust me, I know it's a technical skill that takes practice to master. I make no such mistake of thinking that it's as easy as the pros can make it look. The main problem that I've run into is that there are differing schools of thought on how best to approach the learning process, and everyone is completely in the tank for their own. I have no preconceived notions, or extreme loyalties, I just want to be smart.
The answer is, any one of these methods will teach you something. There is no wrong answer. You can even learn things in a public place without endangering folks. There are many lessons to learn

MightyBobo 04-30-2013 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2294233)
The answer is, any one of these methods will teach you something. There is no wrong answer. You can even learn things in a public place without endangering folks. There are many lessons to learn
This is true.

Just depends on what you want to "learn". For instance, oversteer/countersteer is NOT something you want to really practice on a narrow, tree-lined road. But, you COULD practice "finding the line" at almost any speed. I ALWAYS do that when taking on and off ramps, personally.

m4a1mustang 04-30-2013 09:03 PM
On and off ramps are also good for maximizing your drift style points.

aniceh 04-30-2013 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 2294249)
This is true.

Just depends on what you want to "learn". For instance, oversteer/countersteer is NOT something you want to really practice on a narrow, tree-lined road. But, you COULD practice "finding the line" at almost any speed. I ALWAYS do that when taking on and off ramps, personally.
I want to learn it ALL. :|

:roflpuke2:

Seriously, I want to learn how to drive the car in a way that is controlled yet still feels exhilarating.


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