MAZOC Firearms

ZCarMan · 03-29-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They're a smart company. I remember when they moved warehousing to VA...I would hope they'd move the rest of the company there if this passes.

There is a rumor that Baretta has already purchased more land in VA.

Red__Zed · 03-29-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan

There is a rumor that Baretta has already purchased more land in VA.

Would not surprise me. VA is a much better home to a company like Beretta than MD is....hopefully they can stay that way despite the influx of "progressively-minded" folks in the NoVa area

ZCarMan · 03-30-2013, 07:10 AM

I watched the circus in Annapolis yesterday as the Joint Committee voted to send SB281 with amendments to the full house for a vote next week.

I listened to an exchange between legislators regarding the bill's requirement to limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds. The argument in favor was that the shooter in Phoenix that shot Congressman Giffords had to stop and reload which caused him to be tackled and stopped and that was why she was in favor of limiting capacity. She explained that she wanted the bad guys to have to stop and reload.

Another legislator responded that the VA tech shooter had 10 magazines and stopped to reload many times and that the only reason he was able to kill 32 people was due to the fact everyone on the campus was disarmed (crowd applauded), and that the only thing that stopped a bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun (more crowd applaud).

Lastly, another legislator added that making criminals stop to reload makes no sense because when a law abiding citizen such as his Wife is defending themselves from attack, she will also have to stop and reload when the attacker will not likely have limited themselves to a 10 round magazine. They then voted and the 10 round limit stayed in the bill. That was when 12 people stood up shouted something and walked out.

It was pretty much like that the entire time. At the same time this fiasco was taking place. the MD Senate passed another gasoline tax increase bill that raises the price of a gallon of gas about 4 cents per gallon starting 1 July with set increases taking place periodically. It will now be sent to Governor O'Malley for signature. I have always heard MD was a crazy place to live, now I know it. This will inevitably wind up in the supreme court which will take years.

Here is how they each voted to approve the bill w/amendments and send it to the full House for vote next week:

eastwest2300 · 03-30-2013, 07:56 AM

Good stuff..

ZCarMan · 03-30-2013, 03:04 PM

Here is a summary of what took place in Annapolis yesterday from Delegate Hough from Frederick and Washington County. Its not pretty.

O’Malley Gun Grab Passes House Committees

On Friday evening two house committees, including the House Judiciary Committee of which I am a member passed Governor Martin O’Malley’s gun grab bill Senate Bill 281 by a vote of 27-18.

Those of us who are proponents of the Second Amendment spent over eight hours offering amendments to the bill. Numerous amendments were accepted, including one I offered to protect ammunition used by waterfowl hunters. In addition amendments were accepted to bar the state police from disclosing the addresses of gun owners, to allow a 18-year old in the military to purchase regulated firearms, and to remove registration requirements for those who inherit firearms.

The committee adopted amendments striking registration requirements for individuals who currently own so-called “assault” weapons. The committee also exempted current handgun owners from testing requirements when they buy future handguns.

Unfortunately the main provisions on this anti-gun bill survived. Here’s what the bill still does:

Requires law-abiding citizens, prior to purchasing a handgun to be fingerprinted at state police headquarters, have a background check, take four hours of classroom instruction, pass an undefined test at a gun range, and obtain a gun license. Due to a lack of public ranges and instructors, for many this will be a de facto ban on buying handguns. Currently it’s taking over 60 days for individuals to obtain hand guns.

Limits magazine bullet capacity for all guns to ten rounds.

Bans so-called “assault” weapons, which includes the nationally popular sports shooting rifle the AR-15. These weapons were tied to zero murders in Maryland last year.

Enables State Police to do ATF style investigations on gun stores. This was enacted despite opposition from gun store owners for the supposed purpose of preventing straw purchases. The State Police, Attorney General’s office, and the Governor’s office were never able to even answer the question of how many straw purchase prosecutions there were last year under the current Maryland law.

An amendment was also added yesterday to take peoples guns after a Probation Before Judgment (PBJ). Under Maryland law these are not considered convictions and I strongly oppose taking people’s rights and property away unless there is a conviction.

Finally, Democrats rejected all attempts to increase school security and to punish criminals who use guns in crimes. Unbelievably an amendment was defeated that would have allowed off-duty police officers to have their firearms on school grounds. I know if a shooter was at my one my kid’s school I would pray to God there was an armed police officer nearby. It should be noted that legislators rejected this amendment, while sitting in a state building that is protected by armed guards.

Another amendment that was narrowly defeated would have removed good time prison credits for those who use guns in the commission of violent crimes. Clearly the message is we only want to punish law-abiding citizens and not criminals.

This bill will head to the House floor next week for a final vote. Pro-Second Amendment activists have done an awesome job of attending bill hearings in Annapolis and contacting legislators. I urge you to continue to speak out against SB 281 for one more week.

Sincerely,

Delegate Michael Hough
Frederick & Washington Counties

ZCarMan · 04-01-2013, 05:21 PM

Lucky Gunner.com has a great deal on Tacnition 12ga uranium-drone-load!

http://www.luckygunner.com/12ga-3-ur...ition-5-rounds

MightyBobo · 04-01-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan

Lucky Gunner.com has a great deal on Tacnition 12ga uranium-drone-load!

Hahaha

eastwest2300 · 04-01-2013, 07:09 PM

I saw that, and I thought... what the fvck. lol.

Z Stig · 04-04-2013, 08:12 PM

KelTec KSG - 12 Gauge Shotgun: 14 + 1 in only 26 inches: It is a BLAST !!!!

Smith and Wesson M & P 15: .223 AR. Stays very flat when shooting.

Smith & Wesson M & P 15-22: .22 long rifle AR. Inexpensive plinker.

Savage Hog Hunter (Bolt Action): .308 My reach out and touch something rifle.

Z Stig · 04-04-2013, 08:20 PM

Trusty 1911 (in 45 of course)
Taurus Judge (.410 / 45 Long Colt)
Sig Sauer Trailside (22lr - cheap to shoot)

Sig Sauer P226 S4 (9mm w/ 20+1) What's not to like!
Sig Sauer P238 (.380 pocket gun)

Glock 26 (9mm)
Glock 17 (9mm)
Glock 30 (.45 - most recent purchase - quickly becoming my favorite Glock!)

eastwest2300 · 04-05-2013, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Z Stig

Trusty 1911 (in 45 of course)
Taurus Judge (.410 / 45 Long Colt)
Sig Sauer Trailside (22lr - cheap to shoot)

Sig Sauer P226 S4 (9mm w/ 20+1) What's not to like!
Sig Sauer P238 (.380 pocket gun)

Glock 26 (9mm)
Glock 17 (9mm)
Glock 30 (.45 - most recent purchase - quickly becoming my favorite Glock!)

Daaaamn dude, I've always wanted the 30, I've contemplated on it for far too long, I do have the 26 & 27. Im officially jealous.

Z Stig · 04-05-2013, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Daaaamn dude, I've always wanted the 30, I've contemplated on it for far too long, I do have the 26 & 27. Im officially jealous.

Yea, i did the same thing with delaying the purchase as well. I tried a 30 and 30SF at the range and decided on the 30. Shoots very well and smooth for a compact .45.

eastwest2300 · 04-05-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Z Stig

KelTec KSG - 12 Gauge Shotgun: 14 + 1 in only 26 inches: It is a BLAST !!!!

Smith and Wesson M & P 15: .223 AR. Stays very flat when shooting.

Smith & Wesson M & P 15-22: .22 long rifle AR. Inexpensive plinker.

Savage Hog Hunter (Bolt Action): .308 My reach out and touch something rifle.

Damn dude, you have some very nice weapons.

Z Stig · 04-05-2013, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Damn dude, you have some very nice weapons.

Thanks. The KSG is definitely a great tactical shotgun and I've tweaked the M&P 15 to where it's a great shooter.

ZCarMan · 04-05-2013, 06:21 PM

NRA Chooses IWI Tavor as "Gun of the Week".

IWI Tavor

03-30-2013, 07:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 27	I watched the circus in Annapolis yesterday as the Joint Committee voted to send SB281 with amendments to the full house for a vote next week. I listened to an exchange between legislators regarding the bill's requirement to limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds. The argument in favor was that the shooter in Phoenix that shot Congressman Giffords had to stop and reload which caused him to be tackled and stopped and that was why she was in favor of limiting capacity. She explained that she wanted the bad guys to have to stop and reload. Another legislator responded that the VA tech shooter had 10 magazines and stopped to reload many times and that the only reason he was able to kill 32 people was due to the fact everyone on the campus was disarmed (crowd applauded), and that the only thing that stopped a bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun (more crowd applaud). Lastly, another legislator added that making criminals stop to reload makes no sense because when a law abiding citizen such as his Wife is defending themselves from attack, she will also have to stop and reload when the attacker will not likely have limited themselves to a 10 round magazine. They then voted and the 10 round limit stayed in the bill. That was when 12 people stood up shouted something and walked out. It was pretty much like that the entire time. At the same time this fiasco was taking place. the MD Senate passed another gasoline tax increase bill that raises the price of a gallon of gas about 4 cents per gallon starting 1 July with set increases taking place periodically. It will now be sent to Governor O'Malley for signature. I have always heard MD was a crazy place to live, now I know it. This will inevitably wind up in the supreme court which will take years. Here is how they each voted to approve the bill w/amendments and send it to the full House for vote next week: __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes Last edited by ZCarMan; 03-30-2013 at 07:16 AM.

03-30-2013, 07:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 91,031 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684552	Good stuff.. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

03-30-2013, 03:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 27	Here is a summary of what took place in Annapolis yesterday from Delegate Hough from Frederick and Washington County. Its not pretty. O’Malley Gun Grab Passes House Committees On Friday evening two house committees, including the House Judiciary Committee of which I am a member passed Governor Martin O’Malley’s gun grab bill Senate Bill 281 by a vote of 27-18. Those of us who are proponents of the Second Amendment spent over eight hours offering amendments to the bill. Numerous amendments were accepted, including one I offered to protect ammunition used by waterfowl hunters. In addition amendments were accepted to bar the state police from disclosing the addresses of gun owners, to allow a 18-year old in the military to purchase regulated firearms, and to remove registration requirements for those who inherit firearms. The committee adopted amendments striking registration requirements for individuals who currently own so-called “assault” weapons. The committee also exempted current handgun owners from testing requirements when they buy future handguns. Unfortunately the main provisions on this anti-gun bill survived. Here’s what the bill still does: Requires law-abiding citizens, prior to purchasing a handgun to be fingerprinted at state police headquarters, have a background check, take four hours of classroom instruction, pass an undefined test at a gun range, and obtain a gun license. Due to a lack of public ranges and instructors, for many this will be a de facto ban on buying handguns. Currently it’s taking over 60 days for individuals to obtain hand guns. Limits magazine bullet capacity for all guns to ten rounds. Bans so-called “assault” weapons, which includes the nationally popular sports shooting rifle the AR-15. These weapons were tied to zero murders in Maryland last year. Enables State Police to do ATF style investigations on gun stores. This was enacted despite opposition from gun store owners for the supposed purpose of preventing straw purchases. The State Police, Attorney General’s office, and the Governor’s office were never able to even answer the question of how many straw purchase prosecutions there were last year under the current Maryland law. An amendment was also added yesterday to take peoples guns after a Probation Before Judgment (PBJ). Under Maryland law these are not considered convictions and I strongly oppose taking people’s rights and property away unless there is a conviction. Finally, Democrats rejected all attempts to increase school security and to punish criminals who use guns in crimes. Unbelievably an amendment was defeated that would have allowed off-duty police officers to have their firearms on school grounds. I know if a shooter was at my one my kid’s school I would pray to God there was an armed police officer nearby. It should be noted that legislators rejected this amendment, while sitting in a state building that is protected by armed guards. Another amendment that was narrowly defeated would have removed good time prison credits for those who use guns in the commission of violent crimes. Clearly the message is we only want to punish law-abiding citizens and not criminals. This bill will head to the House floor next week for a final vote. Pro-Second Amendment activists have done an awesome job of attending bill hearings in Annapolis and contacting legislators. I urge you to continue to speak out against SB 281 for one more week. Sincerely, Delegate Michael Hough Frederick & Washington Counties __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes

04-01-2013, 05:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 27	Lucky Gunner.com has a great deal on Tacnition 12ga uranium-drone-load! http://www.luckygunner.com/12ga-3-ur...ition-5-rounds ZDaleyZ likes this. __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes Last edited by ZCarMan; 04-01-2013 at 06:27 PM.

04-01-2013, 07:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 91,031 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684552	I saw that, and I thought... what the fvck. lol. ZDaleyZ likes this. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

04-05-2013, 06:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 27	NRA Chooses IWI Tavor as "Gun of the Week". IWI Tavor __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes

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