MAZOC Firearms

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jayl

was it a copper BB?

No it was a plastic airsoft BB but I think even a copper one at 600 fps wouldn't do much other than sting like hell and bleed.

If all you want to do is target shoot with an air pistol, you can do this in your apartment hallway... just build a backstop with a large box and newspaper.

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No it was a plastic airsoft BB but I think even a copper one at 600 fps wouldn't do much other than sting like hell and bleed.

thats interesting, they have warnings on the air gun pistol's if used improperly it can cause death... These to me seemed completely different that the airsoft BB... however most of you on here are experts about it.

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If all you want to do is target shoot with an air pistol, you can do this in your apartment hallway... just build a backstop with a large box and newspaper.

don't think my neighbors would like this.

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jayl

thats interesting, they have warnings on the air gun pistol's if used improperly it can cause death... These to me seemed completely different that the airsoft BB... however most of you on here are experts about it.

don't think my neighbors would like this.

Oh they are definitely dangerous and could kill someone in the right situation.

eastwest2300 · 01-29-2012, 10:57 PM

Jay, just get you a real firearm, worry about all that other stuff later. Theres only one "you" and a lot of criminals out there that would love to do harm to you, so excersize your right to bear arms, and get you some real home defense and personal protection.

MightyBobo · 01-29-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Jay, just get you a real firearm, worry about all that other stuff later. Theres only one "you" and a lot of criminals out there that would love to do harm to you, so excersize your right to bear arms, and get you some real home defense and personal protection.

I'm HARDLY an outspoken gun rights person. However, if you are looking for home defense, jayl? Don't waste your time with an air gun to practice. Get the real deal and don't sweat the details...owning a weapon isn't nearly as bad as you think.

eastwest2300 · 01-30-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I'm HARDLY an outspoken gun rights person. However, if you are looking for home defense, jayl? Don't waste your time with an air gun to practice. Get the real deal and don't sweat the details...owning a weapon isn't nearly as bad as you think.

I definitely wouldnt trust my life with an air rifle, no way jack.

MacCool · 01-30-2012, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

I definitely wouldnt trust my life with an air rifle, no way jack.

No. Relying on an airgun for self defense is a silly concept. Guns are designed to kill people, and that's an option that you have to have if you feel that you need a weapon to defend your life or the life of another.

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Get the real deal and don't sweat the details...owning a weapon isn't nearly as bad as you think.

There I must disagree. Owning a weapon is a huge responsibility. Not only do you have to find a secure place to store it, but you absolutely have to make sure that you know how it works, how to maintain it, how to use it, and most importantly when to use it. Statistically, it is still true that having a gun in the home makes you far more likely to injure yourself or friend/family than it is to use it to effectively to save your life. The only way to beat those odds are to get instruction, and practice with it regularly. And by instruction, I'm not talking about the the 4 hour permit-to-carry course most people have to take. I'm talking about additional courses afterward, and this is especially true if you're going to actually carry it on your person.

Do not believe, like so many Americans, that just buying a gun, bringing it home, and sticking it in your bedside table will automatically make you safer. If you don't train with it, real instruction, then the opposite will be true. The same is true IMHO if you just rely on your CCW course as all you need to make you an effective pistolero.

TROOPER · 01-30-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

There I must disagree. Owning a weapon is a huge responsibility. Not only do you have to find a secure place to store it, but you absolutely have to make sure that you know how it works, how to maintain it, how to use it, and most importantly when to use it. Statistically, it is still true that having a gun in the home makes you far more likely to injure yourself or friend/family than it is to use it to effectively to save your life. The only way to beat those odds are to get instruction, and practice with it regularly. And by instruction, I'm not talking about the the 4 hour permit-to-carry course most people have to take. I'm talking about additional courses afterward, and this is especially true if you're going to actually carry it on your person.

Do not believe, like so many Americans, that just buying a gun, bringing it home, and sticking it in your bedside table will automatically make you safer. If you don't train with it, real instruction, then the opposite will be true. The same is true IMHO if you just rely on your CCW course as all you need to make you an effective pistolero.

Throwing a gun in your bedside table will not help you when the poop hits the fan.

If you don't know how to use it, as many people don't. They just buy it and never even shoot it to make sure it works, and throw it in a drawer.

If you can't hit a target at "minimum" 10-15 yards away, just think what it's like at 2am, when it's dark, you're confused, scared, heart racing...

You forgot where they safety is, and that's if you remembered to load it and c0ck it...

And as Mac said, you also have to know the law, as to when you can fire.

And think about the law afterwards, because even if it was justified, you'd probably spend the next 2 years in and out of court.

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

No. Relying on an airgun for self defense is a silly concept. Guns are designed to kill people, and that's an option that you have to have if you feel that you need a weapon to defend your life or the life of another.

There I must disagree. Owning a weapon is a huge responsibility. Not only do you have to find a secure place to store it, but you absolutely have to make sure that you know how it works, how to maintain it, how to use it, and most importantly when to use it. Statistically, it is still true that having a gun in the home makes you far more likely to injure yourself or friend/family than it is to use it to effectively to save your life. The only way to beat those odds are to get instruction, and practice with it regularly. And by instruction, I'm not talking about the the 4 hour permit-to-carry course most people have to take. I'm talking about additional courses afterward, and this is especially true if you're going to actually carry it on your person.

Do not believe, like so many Americans, that just buying a gun, bringing it home, and sticking it in your bedside table will automatically make you safer. If you don't train with it, real instruction, then the opposite will be true. The same is true IMHO if you just rely on your CCW course as all you need to make you an effective pistolero.

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Originally Posted by TROOPER

Throwing a gun in your bedside table will not help you when the poop hits the fan.

If you don't know how to use it, as many people don't. They just buy it and never even shoot it to make sure it works, and throw it in a drawer.

If you can't hit a target at "minimum" 10-15 yards away, just think what it's like at 2am, when it's dark, you're confused, scared, heart racing...

You forgot where they safety is, and that's if you remembered to load it and c0ck it...

And as Mac said, you also have to know the law, as to when you can fire.

And think about the law afterwards, because even if it was justified, you'd probably spend the next 2 years in and out of court.

I agree I would train / practice regularly if I was to get a real firearm, just rite now I didnt feel the need to have a real firearm... however seeing kind of crime that happens I might change the way I think about this..

MightyBobo · 01-30-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

There I must disagree. Owning a weapon is a huge responsibility. Not only do you have to find a secure place to store it, but you absolutely have to make sure that you know how it works, how to maintain it, how to use it, and most importantly when to use it. Statistically, it is still true that having a gun in the home makes you far more likely to injure yourself or friend/family than it is to use it to effectively to save your life. The only way to beat those odds are to get instruction, and practice with it regularly. And by instruction, I'm not talking about the the 4 hour permit-to-carry course most people have to take. I'm talking about additional courses afterward, and this is especially true if you're going to actually carry it on your person.

Do not believe, like so many Americans, that just buying a gun, bringing it home, and sticking it in your bedside table will automatically make you safer. If you don't train with it, real instruction, then the opposite will be true. The same is true IMHO if you just rely on your CCW course as all you need to make you an effective pistolero.

Sorry, maybe I was acting a BIT too nonchalant. Obviously I feel proper training and the level of responsibility required is important to understand. I more meant that its just not as bad as he thinks, and if he takes the proper precautions and does what he's supposed to, its not that bad.

MacCool · 01-30-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Sorry, maybe I was acting a BIT too nonchalant. Obviously I feel proper training and the level of responsibility required is important to understand. I more meant that its just not as bad as he thinks, and if he takes the proper precautions and does what he's supposed to, its not that bad.

I agree, it's not as bad as it seems if shooting is something that that person is interested in. The nightmare scenario is the person who is otherwise "non-enthusiastic" about firearms, has a threatening experience and reacts by going out, buying a gun, and putting in their bedside table. The opposite is the person who is otherwise "non-enthusiastic" about firearms, has a threatening experience and reacts by taking a firearms familiarization course (the NRA sponsors these in a million places across the country, then a CCW, buys a gun, takes Firearms Defense I, Firearms Defense II, practices with it on a regular basis, takes refreshers, then puts that gun in their bedside drawer. Now, it's impractical to believe that every firearms hater will ultimately become the Atalanta Lady, but you never know.

My wife is not a firearms enthusiast, but she is a woman of scary self-determination and totally believes in her right...obligation...to save her own life if necessary. She regularly takes firearms courses and will go to the range whether I go or not. Not to hang out, not because she loves to shoot, but because she believes there's nothing more dangerous than an untrained person with a gun and if she is going to take other people's lives into her hands, she had better be as good as she can possibly be. I admire the hell out of her.

jayl · 01-30-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Jay, just get you a real firearm, worry about all that other stuff later. Theres only one "you" and a lot of criminals out there that would love to do harm to you, so excersize your right to bear arms, and get you some real home defense and personal protection.

makes sense honestly as of now I dont feel the need to have something for home defense... however thats because I live in a high rise condo ... but at some point we will be moving into a TH or such...so I was thinking if I need to get something or not..

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo
I'm HARDLY an outspoken gun rights person. However, if you are looking for home defense, jayl? Don't waste your time with an air gun to practice. Get the real deal and don't sweat the details...owning a weapon isn't nearly as bad as you think.

This is interesting to hear, I will be considering your advice strongly based on how I feel in the new home.

Thanks,

m4a1mustang · 01-30-2012, 09:42 AM

If you think you want a real firearm now is probably the time to do it, if anything as a hedge against future regulations that make it harder for a law-abiding citizen to get one.

But like Mac and Troop were saying you need to commit to doing it right.

jayl · 01-30-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If you think you want a real firearm now is probably the time to do it, if anything as a hedge against future regulations that make it harder for a law-abiding citizen to get one.

about pulling the trigger... on this one

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But like Mac and Troop were saying you need to commit to doing it right.

VaGntlmn · 01-30-2012, 12:05 PM

1) If you don't want a "real" gun, don't get one. You seemed pretty reluctant a couple of posts ago. It has a lot of responsibility, and can have major consequences if not handled correctly.
2) Talk to people, these guys included. They give a lot of flack, but also a lot of good advice. Feel free to pm me if you want and I'll be more than happy to tell you what I did. Just note that I'm a noobie to shooting myself, am by no means an expert, am borderline ocd, and an anal retentive possessive control freak. Now sit back and see what kind of comments that last sentence gets me.
3) Try to find a shooting range around you that rents. Try some out, see what you like.
4) Go from there and have fun.
See, isn't that easy?

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VaGntlmn Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Centreville, Va Age: 64 Posts: 378 Drives: '10 Tour/Sport, 6MT Rep Power: 15	1) If you don't want a "real" gun, don't get one. You seemed pretty reluctant a couple of posts ago. It has a lot of responsibility, and can have major consequences if not handled correctly. 2) Talk to people, these guys included. They give a lot of flack, but also a lot of good advice. Feel free to pm me if you want and I'll be more than happy to tell you what I did. Just note that I'm a noobie to shooting myself, am by no means an expert, am borderline ocd, and an anal retentive possessive control freak. Now sit back and see what kind of comments that last sentence gets me. 3) Try to find a shooting range around you that rents. Try some out, see what you like. 4) Go from there and have fun. See, isn't that easy? __________________ Bill 2010 370z; Tour/Sport; 6mt; BlackCherry/Grey; 318 rwhp; 265 lbs rwtq. To view a list of my mods, click here; To view a photo journal of the mods, click here. Last edited by VaGntlmn; 01-30-2012 at 01:12 PM.

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