MAZOC Firearms

Z Stig · 06-14-2013, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

In 5 days, I hit the 3-month mark on waiting for my pistol.

This is ridiculous.

Also, my shop hadn't gotten any background checks back for 4 working days when I called on Tuesday (I haven't called since).

That is a long wait! What did you order?

MightyBobo · 06-14-2013, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Z Stig

That is a long wait! What did you order?

Springfield XDm .45 4.5"

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Z Stig · 06-14-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Springfield XDm .45 4.5"

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Nice! I'm surprised that it is taking that long to get a Springfield in once ordered. I guess that is a sign of the times. Ammo and now weapons. It'll be worth the wait once you get it.

MightyBobo · 06-14-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Z Stig

Nice! I'm surprised that it is taking that long to get a Springfield in once ordered. I guess that is a sign of the times. Ammo and now weapons. It'll be worth the wait once you get it.

Oh no, you misunderstand. It's sitting at the FFL for almost 3 months...paid for and ready to go...

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Z Stig · 06-14-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Oh no, you misunderstand. It's sitting at the FFL for almost 3 months...paid for and ready to go...

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You are correct! I did misunderstand...

Are you in MD? If so, how long is the wait period there normally? I know VA is instant, unless you get delayed, and even then it is usually approved by the next day. I have heard of the rare instance where someone is delayed for a week.

Good luck with that.

Crux · 06-14-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Oh no, you misunderstand. It's sitting at the FFL for almost 3 months...paid for and ready to go...

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What's more irritating is technically, the FFL has the right to release the firearm to you after 7 days, regardless of MSP's completion of your paperwork. The FFL opts not to because they don't want to lose their license if MSP takes up issue (as in, MSP will find a reason not to renew the FFL's license, even though it is a completely legal transaction described in clear language).

What's even more irritating than that, is that you can go to almost any corner in Baltimore right about this time at night and pick up a Springfield .45 - no paperwork required. I'd leave the Z at home for that trip...

ZCarMan · 06-15-2013, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Crux

What's more irritating is technically, the FFL has the right to release the firearm to you after 7 days, regardless of MSP's completion of your paperwork. The FFL opts not to because they don't want to lose their license if MSP takes up issue (as in, MSP will find a reason not to renew the FFL's license, even though it is a completely legal transaction described in clear language).

What's even more irritating than that, is that you can go to almost any corner in Baltimore right about this time at night and pick up a Springfield .45 - no paperwork required. I'd leave the Z at home for that trip...

What I have read from several FFLs is that they did not want to be the target of any legal action should they release a firearm to a purchaser after the 7 day period to find out that some whackjob takes out a family or worse and then they are taken to court for liability because they were disapproved when MSP finally ran the NICS check. Even though it would fail, the costs associated with defending themselves would likely be tremendous if not catastrophic for some of the smaller FFLs.

Z Stig · 06-15-2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan

What I have read from several FFLs is that they did not want to be the target of any legal action should they release a firearm to a purchaser after the 7 day period to find out that some whackjob takes out a family or worse and then they are taken to court for liability because they were disapproved when MSP finally ran the NICS check. Even though it would fail, the costs associated with defending themselves would likely be tremendous if not catastrophic for some of the smaller FFLs.

Makes sense to me. HUGE liability. I will not do a private sale to just anyone either. If I do not have direct knowlege that they have recently been allowed to purchase a firearm legally, I will not sell one to them. The only exception that I will make is if they have a USG issued security clearance, and even then it would be rare.

I have only sold a few in my days, because of the liability. I have been known to trade some in to the FFL that I was using to buy my next firearm.

MightyBobo · 06-14-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Z Stig

You are correct! I did misunderstand...

Are you in MD? If so, how long is the wait period there normally? I know VA is instant, unless you get delayed, and even then it is usually approved by the next day. I have heard of the rare instance where someone is delayed for a week.

Good luck with that.

I'm in MD, yes. No idea how long it USED to take, but now, it is 3 months. More, likely.

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MightyBobo · 06-14-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crux

What's more irritating is technically, the FFL has the right to release the firearm to you after 7 days, regardless of MSP's completion of your paperwork. The FFL opts not to because they don't want to lose their license if MSP takes up issue (as in, MSP will find a reason not to renew the FFL's license, even though it is a completely legal transaction described in clear language).

What's even more irritating than that, is that you can go to almost any corner in Baltimore right about this time at night and pick up a Springfield .45 - no paperwork required. I'd leave the Z at home for that trip...

Lol. Truth.

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ZCarMan · 06-15-2013, 06:31 AM

You might want to check again with your FFL. Many are now releasing after 8 days based upon when you purchased the firearm. Maryland Shall Issue (MSI) has filed suit against the MSP to force this issue and to some degree it has shown some results. This has been a major issue with FFLs and purchasers since originally the FFLs were not releasing. Several have now released but many others are still holding them.

Now I'm also reading that the NICS center is now refusing to provide NICS numbers to any MD FFLs for handguns (long guns they still provide NICS numbers to FFLs) and they are only releasing them to the MSP. This has essentially resulted in many FFLs who were releasing on the 8th day to stop out of fear of legal action.

I can't wait to move out of the so-called "Free State".

Crux · 06-15-2013, 07:29 AM

This is also a very valid hypothetical. It's also very sad that there are such ways around upholding your constitutional rights.

eastwest2300 · 06-16-2013, 05:44 PM

Everyday I dont like the state of maryland just a little bit more..

MightyBobo · 06-16-2013, 06:46 PM

Today is officially my 90th day waiting, btw.

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Kirkster · 06-16-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Today is officially my 90th day waiting, btw.

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LoL. On Target released mine a while back. I was at around 65 days. I was one of the first bunch On Target released...

06-15-2013, 06:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 28	You might want to check again with your FFL. Many are now releasing after 8 days based upon when you purchased the firearm. Maryland Shall Issue (MSI) has filed suit against the MSP to force this issue and to some degree it has shown some results. This has been a major issue with FFLs and purchasers since originally the FFLs were not releasing. Several have now released but many others are still holding them. Now I'm also reading that the NICS center is now refusing to provide NICS numbers to any MD FFLs for handguns (long guns they still provide NICS numbers to FFLs) and they are only releasing them to the MSP. This has essentially resulted in many FFLs who were releasing on the 8th day to stop out of fear of legal action. I can't wait to move out of the so-called "Free State". __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes Last edited by ZCarMan; 06-15-2013 at 06:53 AM.

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MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 54	Today is officially my 90th day waiting, btw. Sent from my Galaxy S3 __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

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06-15-2013, 07:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
Crux Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Maryland Posts: 253 Drives: 09 370z 7AT Rep Power: 15	This is also a very valid hypothetical. It's also very sad that there are such ways around upholding your constitutional rights.