whitelines are 36, 60% stiffness on the front and rear was like 16, 40, 60 or something. i dont remember off hand.

im here to talk experience, not myths. :) if one was to swap just one swaybar on our cars, they'd net more by doing the front first, then add rear to compensate if the front was too stiff.

unless one's setting up solely for drifting, then i dont know. i dont drift. i mean, i let the rear step out sometimes, but that's not a drift...and my goal is to be able to punch out of a turn without stepping out.

i dont auto-x, but a lot of folks use stiff setting on the front and stock or no bar on the rear.

Experience of course. I wasn't trying to spread myths, but merely bring them to light so those With experience can trounce them. I don't know everything about suspension, so I'm trying to find out what I can from who I can of those with more experience.

I'm just cruious about it all because I've never had my Z come out from me in a turn (I know that means I'm not pushing hard enough :p ) but my thought is it doing that, and the wrong thing happening because it doesn't come back. :icon17: I do intend to track mine though, so they were not wasted purchases.

Auto x only allows one sway bar to be changed if you want to stay in street class.

Also, that's not very stiff on the whitelines... Most of the others can go much stiffer....

yah, i experimented quite a bit on my G in the past. im sure your swaybars are a great investment. :tup:

i just dont want to over do the bits if i dont have to and taking it in steps. when i did my G, i changed both bars, endlinks, springs (2sets), adjustable dampers, arms, etc. and it took a while to get her all dialed in at the ride height i wanted. it was compensation after compensation. spent a lot of time getting the alignment, hours of trials. i dont have time for that any more.

yep and yep! :tup: x2

i dont auto-x, and i just want that little bit of stiffness up front. that's all i want to complete the car's handling.

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

:tup:

Yep, that's basically what I've done (be it the right or wrong way according to some people :rolleyes: ) that I get the car modded to the point it's upgraded everywhere, then I can customize it to my specific wants. I get the car up to a certain point, then as the driver I grow into the car. In my mind it makes sense, hopefully it does on a logical perspective to those more educated. :icon17:

For the front plate?

:hello:

Like the avi pic. :tup:

Yup. We'll see how long it stays on. :)

Unless installed improperly, it shouldn't be going anywhere? :icon17:

nice! :tup:

it's a good learning process for sure. :tup: and i agree that driver input also affects how the car behaves with the mods so it's very complicated.

i dont want deal with that right now. :icon17: i think the Z runs very wll in stock form. just needs a little tweak here and there to get her the way i want her to respond. :p

Are you going to ZDayZ by chance?

you has drunken racoon theives stealing metal in your area at night? :icon17:

Hardy har har. I just need it when driving to and from work mainly.

Im going to zdayz ...in 2014 :ugh2:

:tup:

mr.alcheng- all i need now is a sunny warm weekend... :tup: :ugh2:

:(

Hey, you and the boys still going to Missouri?

LOL! :icon18:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...45175338,d.aWc

:tup: I love cartoons but I think I'm too young to remember this. :p

I'm almost too young to remember this! It premiered in 1962.

Wow! My mom wasn't even born. :ugh:

that is if you stiffen the rear suspension too much with either sway bar or the spring/coilover.

Remember the stiffer the rear the less of the traction it will have. Too soft, it will induce understeer.

Sway bar will decrease body-roll, however, it will still increase the stiffness of the suspension, mainly on the inertial-response before the sway starts compressing the suspension on the other side.

Some people just blindly stiffen everything and thought it is the way to go, and ends up lose all the traction front and back thus the car is like skating on the road.

Especially on a RWD car, the rear end is very sensitive, if you mod the rear end in a wrong way could induce over-steer on both turn-in and exit.

That's why, on street/DD, it's not a must to change the rear unless it's necessary.

The most important is you feel the handling of the car is 'balance' :tup:


me too.... :driving: :tup:

Thank you for the knowledge. Thats the stuff I wanna learn. :bowdown:

Hell, even I've seen those cartoons...

how's that sunglasses/eyelid project coming along? :tup:

I'm considering it. I cant take vacation days so it would be a rough trip (leave Friday day get there middle of night, drive all day Saturday, and go back home Sunday)

:icon17: The only materials I have are scissors. And I've just been running around with them. :ugh2:

Boo. I was checking the route last night to ZdayZ and to the MO event. Why can't the US be smaller? :o

that sounds like a tuff trip. ive done chicago-tulsa, OK in 10hrs drive.


nice! :tup:



:icon14: :rofl2:

:icon18: it's very small. they got us all here in one room at the370z. :tup:

:bowdown:
:tup: Well played Ken.

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Right? I'd like to go to some of these events, but there's never anything in the Southwest, and even if there was we're so much farther apart that it would still take several hours to get anywhere. :thumbsdown:

I'd like to go, gas just isn't cheap and now that I'm over 50k, I'm all worried about miles. :shakes head:

:iagree:
:bowrofl:
Yes that's the problem, I live in the part of the country with boring roads.
I'm sure the Z can handle it.
For me it's more about time wasted going there and back. If i could make it a 5 day thing then it would be more worth it.

I'm almost to 8k already, and I've had the car for 5.5mos. :(

I guess I can't really worry about it. It's my DD.

I made the mistake of buying a house in East California. :shakes head: Hopefully I'll move next year and not have to drive to work at all. :tup:

to those ricers :ugh2:, first they should think about how come the 300+hp WTCC are using 17 wheel instead of 20.

Once you understand the suspension geometry and physics, you are already half success on modding the suspension. :tup:


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Thanks! :ugh2: :bowrofl:

Well.............all of us that count! :tup: