Anyone here into firearms?

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-27-2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I have yet to see an equivalent to the 5.56 Brown Tip SOCOM round in 5.45 caliber.

You're pulling out EXPENSIVE specialized ammo. I'm talking about the equiv ammo. i'm sure if our ammo makers took the time to invest in russian ammo. we can most definitely exceed your example. Some private reloaders do some amazing things with AK rounds. AR have more options sure, but basic 5.45 ammo can perform better in some cases than SOME of the specialized AR ammo. @ $10 a box. I can definitely put faith in 5.45 basic ammo considering the huge wound channnel that thin round leaves.

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You're pulling out EXPENSIVE specialized ammo. I'm talking about the equiv ammo. i'm sure if our ammo makers took the time to invest in russian ammo. we can most definitely exceed your example. Some private reloaders do some amazing things with AK rounds. AR have more options sure, but basic 5.45 ammo can perform better in some cases than SOME of the specialized AR ammo. @ $10 a box. I can definitely put faith in 5.45 basic ammo considering the huge wound channnel that thin round leaves.

I'm pulling out what's in my magazines vs. anything I could possibly get loaded to a military quality spec (staked and sealed primers, sealed case necks) equivalent in 5.45x39. Since ammo makers for the military or LE have NOT seen fit to invest in the 5.45x39, it's a moot point. I'm interested in what I can and do have, not what is theoretically possible. When they do that for 5.45x39, I'll stand in line and buy one. As of now, I have around 3,000 rounds of good stuff, including the SOCOM 5.56 optomized, 64gr Gold Dot bonded LE, and MK318 SOST. There is nothing in 5.45x39 that can compare, currently, of which I am aware.

However...7.62x39, I have shot a ton of stuff with it. Cinderblock, cars, wood, etc. and it destroys a lot more material/stuff than does 5.56x45, even using the SOCOM solid copper stuff. Also, loading the 7.62x39 with a Barnes TSX makes it supremely nasty. 0.6" expansion, 20"+ penetration in gel. Wicked. I know you can't buy it RIGHT NOW, but it is available and currently loaded, as is Federal Fusion, which is the same thing as a Gold Dot bonded, so 7.62x39 made way more sense for me than 5.45x39, at this point in time.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I'm pulling out what's in my magazines vs. anything I could possibly get loaded to a military quality spec (staked and sealed primers, sealed case necks) equivalent in 5.45x39. Since ammo makers for the military or LE have NOT seen fit to invest in the 5.45x39, it's a moot point. I'm interested in what I can and do have, not what is theoretically possible. When they do that for 5.45x39, I'll stand in line and buy one. As of now, I have around 3,000 rounds of good stuff, including the SOCOM 5.56 optomized, 64gr Gold Dot bonded LE, and MK318 SOST. There is nothing in 5.45x39 that can compare, currently, of which I am aware.

However...7.62x39, I have shot a ton of stuff with it. Cinderblock, cars, wood, etc. and it destroys a lot more material/stuff than does 5.56x45, even using the SOCOM solid copper stuff. Also, loading the 7.62x39 with a Barnes TSX makes it supremely nasty. 0.6" expansion, 20"+ penetration in gel. Wicked. I know you can't buy it RIGHT NOW, but it is available and currently loaded, as is Federal Fusion, which is the same thing as a Gold Dot bonded, so 7.62x39 made way more sense for me than 5.45x39, at this point in time.

kewl... I'm not convincing you to buy one. I'm just saying, its not an inferior round. thats all. The 5.45 has minor advatages from 5.56 ballistically. But 5.56 has the overall advantage.
I have 7.62, Ive destroyed cinder blocks with FMJ. Shooting cinder makes the 5.56 look weak. But more than all this stopping power obsession you have. Proficiency beats all statistics. I prefer 6.8 over 5.56 but hey to each there own.
If you can engage your target, shoot fast and accurate. The round in the gun will be a much smaller factor.

Stay safe and win the fight.

ImportConvert · 03-05-2013, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

kewl... I'm not convincing you to buy one. I'm just saying, its not an inferior round. thats all. The 5.45 has minor advatages from 5.56 ballistically. But 5.56 has the overall advantage.
I have 7.62, Ive destroyed cinder blocks with FMJ. Shooting cinder makes the 5.56 look weak. But more than all this stopping power obsession you have. Proficiency beats all statistics. I prefer 6.8 over 5.56 but hey to each there own.
If you can engage your target, shoot fast and accurate. The round in the gun will be a much smaller factor.

Stay safe and win the fight.

Agreed. Just began my trek to obtain a suppressed 300 BLK. Should fill all roles nicely out to about 250m, which is as far as I care, anyway. Where I am going, they have black bear, so it is smart, I think.

The AK? I just felt like I needed one. They are so ubiquitous, that if you don't know how to run one, you're cheating yourself out of a life skill, imo

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-07-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Agreed. Just began my trek to obtain a suppressed 300 BLK. Should fill all roles nicely out to about 250m, which is as far as I care, anyway. Where I am going, they have black bear, so it is smart, I think.

The AK? I just felt like I needed one. They are so ubiquitous, that if you don't know how to run one, you're cheating yourself out of a life skill, imo

Ak's seperate shooter's from just guys with guns. The AR hits targets practically on its own An AK, shows how skilled you are.