Anyone here into firearms?

ZMan8 · 12-21-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The problem is there's no way to call it like it is without looking like a nut in sound bytes, unfortunately.
In my mind, this recent shooting was 100% a parental failure. There are no implementable "gun control" laws that would have prevented this recent tragedy.
The guns were purchased far in advance, likely by his parents. The better mental health controls everyone clamored for after the VT incident likely wouldn't have helped, since he wasn't even procuring the weapons himself (to my knowledge).

What sort of control law do you plan to enact that comes into everyone's house and takes away every 40 year old woman's handgun? Better care for folks that are emotionally imbalanced is critical in order to prevent these attacks, but that's difficult to do without infringing on rights. While it might help in some cases to actually screen the purchaser, I think it is more important to tack on liability (criminal and civil) to those who provides weapons to the mentally unstable....similar to how we treat providing weapons to felons.

Yep thats sums up my thoughts. Well said.

To add to that. Gun laws dont really apply to those looking to commit a crime. Further regulation will only hurt honest citizens. Drugs are illegal yet people find a way to get them anyway.

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m4a1mustang · 12-21-2012, 04:46 PM

The more I think about it the more I feel like the press conference today was a complete failure and more than likely weakens any future NRA effort to combat gun control legislation.

At the core of the press conference the NRA did two things:

1) They completely ignored the debate over gun control which is swallowing the nation whole at the moment

2) They attempted to deflect to and place the blame on a lack of school security using the incredibly unrealistic idea of having qualified, armed guards in schools.

Given the number of schools in the US (something on the order of 130k+) there is no way every locality will be able to afford qualified, armed security personnel for schools. I think this is an idea that will broadly be laughed at and torn apart by most. It's unfeasible.

The real issue at hand is gun control. Specifically, that gun control DOES NOT work.

The NRA should have taken this time to address the debate at hand and lay out the facts. Gun control doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And it will never work.

And explain WHY.

Explain that the vast majority (99.9999%) of gun owners are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that only want to be able to 1) enjoy a Constitutional right, 2) engage in lawful sporting activity, and 3) have a means to defend themselves and their families.

Explain that only a small percentage (less than 5%) of firearms used in crimes were purchased legally.

Explain that a semi-automatic AR-15 "assault rifle" is no more dangerous than a standard hunting rifle or handgun, and that those that choose to inflict mass damage on soft targets would be able to do so with ANY weapon.

Explain that the Sandy Hook shooting likely would not have occurred had Nancy Lanza secured her weapons in safes so that her son could not access them.

The NRA should have urged Federal lawmakers to ensure that our EXISTING gun laws are properly enforced.

The NRA should have spent a little more time discussing mental health, and that if our mental health system was not broken (And properly integrated with background check databases) that firearms likely would not have been sold to Cho or the Aurora shooter among others.

This was a prime time for the NRA to lay out the unarguable fact that, statistically, legally purchased guns are safe and law-abiding gun owners are no threat to society.

Instead, they blew it by wasting a lot of time on a useless plan. They would have been better off staying quiet.

Red__Zed · 12-21-2012, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The more I think about it the more I feel like the press conference today was a complete failure and more than likely weakens any future NRA effort to combat gun control legislation.

At the core of the press conference the NRA did two things:

1) They completely ignored the debate over gun control which is swallowing the nation whole at the moment

2) They attempted to deflect to and place the blame on a lack of school security using the incredibly unrealistic idea of having qualified, armed guards in schools.

Given the number of schools in the US (something on the order of 130k+) there is no way every locality will be able to afford qualified, armed security personnel for schools. I think this is an idea that will broadly be laughed at and torn apart by most. It's unfeasible.

The real issue at hand is gun control. Specifically, that gun control DOES NOT work.

The NRA should have taken this time to address the debate at hand and lay out the facts. Gun control doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And it will never work.

And explain WHY.

Explain that the vast majority (99.9999%) of gun owners are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that only want to be able to 1) enjoy a Constitutional right, 2) engage in lawful sporting activity, and 3) have a means to defend themselves and their families.

Explain that only a small percentage (less than 5%) of firearms used in crimes were purchased legally.

Explain that a semi-automatic AR-15 "assault rifle" is no more dangerous than a standard hunting rifle or handgun, and that those that choose to inflict mass damage on soft targets would be able to do so with ANY weapon.

Explain that the Sandy Hook shooting likely would not have occurred had Nancy Lanza secured her weapons in safes so that her son could not access them.

The NRA should have urged Federal lawmakers to ensure that our EXISTING gun laws are properly enforced.

The NRA should have spent a little more time discussing mental health, and that if our mental health system was not broken (And properly integrated with background check databases) that firearms likely would not have been sold to Cho or the Aurora shooter among others.

This was a prime time for the NRA to lay out the unarguable fact that, statistically, legally purchased guns are safe and law-abiding gun owners are no threat to society.

Instead, they blew it by wasting a lot of time on a useless plan. They would have been better off staying quiet.

It is important to remember that the NRA isn't actually a gun rights group.

Rooster89 · 12-21-2012, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It is important to remember that the NRA isn't actually a gun rights group.

Someone want to explain this?

djkyky · 12-22-2012, 09:37 AM

AR15's may be scarce in Cal but are as common in Kentucky as missing front teeth. Fun range rifle. The bullet will drill a hole through 1/4" plate steel. Also used as a hunting rifle. Deadly accurate.

12-21-2012, 04:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	The more I think about it the more I feel like the press conference today was a complete failure and more than likely weakens any future NRA effort to combat gun control legislation. At the core of the press conference the NRA did two things: 1) They completely ignored the debate over gun control which is swallowing the nation whole at the moment 2) They attempted to deflect to and place the blame on a lack of school security using the incredibly unrealistic idea of having qualified, armed guards in schools. Given the number of schools in the US (something on the order of 130k+) there is no way every locality will be able to afford qualified, armed security personnel for schools. I think this is an idea that will broadly be laughed at and torn apart by most. It's unfeasible. The real issue at hand is gun control. Specifically, that gun control DOES NOT work. The NRA should have taken this time to address the debate at hand and lay out the facts. Gun control doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And it will never work. And explain WHY. Explain that the vast majority (99.9999%) of gun owners are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that only want to be able to 1) enjoy a Constitutional right, 2) engage in lawful sporting activity, and 3) have a means to defend themselves and their families. Explain that only a small percentage (less than 5%) of firearms used in crimes were purchased legally. Explain that a semi-automatic AR-15 "assault rifle" is no more dangerous than a standard hunting rifle or handgun, and that those that choose to inflict mass damage on soft targets would be able to do so with ANY weapon. Explain that the Sandy Hook shooting likely would not have occurred had Nancy Lanza secured her weapons in safes so that her son could not access them. The NRA should have urged Federal lawmakers to ensure that our EXISTING gun laws are properly enforced. The NRA should have spent a little more time discussing mental health, and that if our mental health system was not broken (And properly integrated with background check databases) that firearms likely would not have been sold to Cho or the Aurora shooter among others. This was a prime time for the NRA to lay out the unarguable fact that, statistically, legally purchased guns are safe and law-abiding gun owners are no threat to society. Instead, they blew it by wasting a lot of time on a useless plan. They would have been better off staying quiet. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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12-22-2012, 09:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
djkyky Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 17 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 15	AR15's may be scarce in Cal but are as common in Kentucky as missing front teeth. Fun range rifle. The bullet will drill a hole through 1/4" plate steel. Also used as a hunting rifle. Deadly accurate.